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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This ancient aliens nuttery has been around since the 1950s, with books by Erich Von Daniken and Immanuel Velikovsky. Much of their "proof" can be easily refuted by anyone with a basic understanding of science.

Carl Sagan did an amazing point-by-point counter of Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision" in his book "Brocas Brain"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

Also, there's some sources of Erich Von Daniken book that is just nazi propaganda masked as "research".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago
[–] takeheart 32 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Never understood the whole conspiracy angle on the pyramids. When I was in school we always learned that the fascination with the pyramids wasn't just with the labor, engineering and man power required but with the division of labor, the social command and the economic planning required.

Remember that the pyramids have no direct tangible return on investment and were multi generation endeavors. So the question encroaching a contemporary observer is: ¿What must the structure of a society look like that produces such monuments?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Never understood the whole conspiracy angle on the pyramids.

Racism. Every stupid conspiracy involving ancient civilizations is always rooted in some sort of racism. "Egyptians aren't white, so they clearly couldn't have done something so big by themselves!!!" - "The Mayan nobility is depicted as having weird shaped heads, thus it was aliens that taught them how to make those great pyramids!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Fascinating article

[–] [email protected] 56 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

Once upon a time I had a whole conversation with a guy about whether the pyramids were made by aliens. He had an issue with the size of the blocks, so I explained how it was likely done-

  • Local quarry chips the blocks out of the rock, wedging them to fall directly onto rollers (logs).
  • Workers move rollers from the back of the block to the front while oxen pull the block itself slowly to the pyramid.
  • Block is slowly driven up a very long, gradual ramp to the work site, where it is wedged into place.

His gotcha response - where did they get the rope? So I had to explain that ropes have existed much longer than nylon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 48 minutes ago

Block is slowly driven up a very long, gradual ramp to the work site, where it is wedged into place.

Sometimes they like to complain about the length of such a ramp being unreasonable, but then they don't think about it, even for a second:

[–] [email protected] 30 points 20 hours ago

Someone who thinks rope is a recent invention needs to, in the most literal sense, go touch some tall grass. If he can't figure it out from there, it's time to book an appointment at the neurologist's.

[–] Contramuffin 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I was under the impression that they put the blocks on boats and floated them down the Nile to the correct location. If that's not what they did, that's what they should have done. Would be way easier than manually pulling the blocks

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

Yeah actually just last year some researchers found an ancient branch of the Nile running through the giza plateau which explains the location of a lot of monuments:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01379-7

[–] makyo 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This reminds me of an episode of Unsolved Mysteries about pets. A woman was rescued from drowning by her dog, and they went on to interview a bunch of fakers like psychics and such and spent a bunch of time theorizing that maybe the dog was some reincarnated family member or that it had some amazing magical mental connection to her.

Then they had a biologist on for like 20 seconds who was like, there's no magic here, the dog (a Neufoundland) did exactly what it was bred to do - pull people out of the water. Which IMO is just as fucking interesting as Fluffy being psychic but that's just me.

Of course they quickly made sure to have Bob jump in and cast doubt on all that sciency BS before signing off on that segment. And while typing this it occurred to me that this sort of preying on superstition and ignorance explains a lot about why we are in the mess we're in right now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 18 hours ago

They excel at water rescue/lifesaving because of their muscular build, thick double coat, webbed paws, and swimming abilities.

Neat! My mom's golden retriever used to try to "save" people from swimming in a pool by jumping directly on top of them, we had to train her to stop.

[–] Opisek 19 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Divisible by pi in what units? Surely not meters, they weren't in use back then.

[–] fishos 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Any unit since pi is a ratio of radius to circumference(π=C/𝒅). That's the point of the image - if you measured using circles, EVERYTHING would be a ratio of pi in some way you could discern.

[–] Opisek 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

The post refers to d = C/π turning out to be an integer. Therefore, what unit did they measure C in?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Why are you bringing the speed of light into this? Also, d is 6 inches.

[–] andros_rex 2 points 7 hours ago

🤓🤫errmmm akshuallly speed of light is almost always lowercase c

[–] Opisek 2 points 11 hours ago

Gave me a chuckle.

[–] fishos 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

No, it does not say integer. It says "all the sides being divisible by pi" aka "a ratio of pi"

[–] Opisek 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That is not what divisibility commonly refers to. In the normal context, one number is divisible by another if the division yields an integer. 4 is said to be divisible by 2 but not by 3.

With your definition:

  • It would not make sense to say something is "perfectly" divisible. Duh, everything is divisible by everything except zero.

  • It would not be surprising that the length of the piramid is divisible by pi. Duh, everything is divisible by everything except zero.

  • The response to that statement would not need to mention circles at all. Duh, everything is divisible by everything except zero.

[–] fishos 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Look, if you don't understand math just say so.

[–] Opisek 1 points 58 minutes ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

probably that one of the sides was a * n * pi long and the other was b * n * pi where a and b are integers and n is whatever unit they were using

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

It is a pyramid. The sides are supposed to be of the same length.

And then you can always define an arbitrary unit of measurement that will get you an integer number when multiplied by pi.

Historical measurement units were all over the place, so it is really easy to find a plausible value that gives you whole numbers.

[–] Eheran 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That could still be any number n: 1.4337 or 128.382 or 0.001848. It does not make sense.

[–] Dasus 7 points 19 hours ago

It does not make sense.

Uh... are you expecting them to?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Pi is just kinda like that. It pops up everywhere if you look hard enough for it.

[–] andros_rex 1 points 7 hours ago

If ancient aliens types had paid attention to math past middle school, they’d shit themselves with how much e shows up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago

How hard I gotta look? Kinda hungy rn.

[–] egrets 50 points 1 day ago

tiered looking palaeontologist

Suspicious at best. Pyramids are in on the conspiracy.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

Anything is divisible by pi if you approximate hard enough

[–] over_clox 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But everyone knows the pyramid was invented before the wheel, duh.

/s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Why /s?

The Dynastic egyptians didn't know about the wheel...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Native americans built pyramids yet never invented the wheel!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

/s?

But just in case: Indigenous Americans had wheels pre-1490s, just not wheels on vehicles... Toys had wheels, and probably some measuring devices.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

everyone forgot about circles.

[–] FooBarrington 7 points 23 hours ago

Holy crop! Ancient egyptians would never have had the tools to produce something like this.

[–] serenissi 3 points 22 hours ago

The show was a good entertainment with some amount of exposition to historic artifacts and construction and cultural remains still present..

Also the host's hair was nice.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Is the flat earth round or a triangle?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Not with that attitude

[–] homesweethomeMrL 2 points 1 day ago

So that it matches the circumference of the earth almost exactly?

Lucky guess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That Occam guy may have been on to something...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

He only was selling shaving supplies.