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In the past week or so, the courts have begun to try to set some boundaries on the Musk–Miller–Trump administration’s early blitz of recklessness.

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This judicial review provides at least a small reprieve, hope that some of the administration’s most destructive impulses will be stopped. Or at least pared back. But even with the courts stepping up, and even with the reality of the administration’s ineptitude sinking in, this early Musk–Miller–Trump blitz remains very—maybe irreparably—damaging. Of course, there are a lot of moles to whack: the U.S. Agency for International Development and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau are being dismantled at an alarming rate, and the court system is not known for being nimble. The administration is betting, perhaps rightly, that at least some of its thoughtless, lawless efforts will slip through the cracks.

But even if the courts caught them all—and even if every court facing each lawless escapade said, “Nope, that’s not a thing”—still the entire process would be doing serious damage to our institutions. Think of it as someone spoofing your identity and going on a shopping spree with your credit cards. Even if the goon gets caught, you still have to go store by store to argue that the fraudulent purchase wasn’t legitimate and hope the debt is forgiven. And all the while, perhaps long after all the debts are dealt with, the torrent of uncertainty kills your credit score.

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[–] ansiz 2 points 2 days ago

Far too many Americans will argue with you about how every single thing Trump and Musk do, is good. There is no way to change their mind and I am surrounded by them.

[–] yenahmik 31 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I just need to shout this into the void:

Fuck this fucking bullshit. What the hell is wrong with this country. I fucking hate this timeline.

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[–] DarkFuture 123 points 5 days ago (15 children)

I actually do.

We're entirely fucked.

We're going to spend the rest of our lives witnessing the enshitification of this nation. Even if we completely turn this crash and burn around, we'll then spend the rest of our lives watching things being slowly rebuilt as traitorous Republicans continue to obstruct.

I don't think a lot of Americans are grasping exactly how hard we fucked ourselves by refusing to responsibly inform ourselves even to a minimal degree.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 days ago (4 children)

As someone currently living in Canada, the US is badly fucking up a lot of it's international relations too. I've heard several people here say that even if if the US unfucks itself right away (which it won't), it's still going to be a long time before things will be right again.

You don't go around threatening neighbours and allies like this and then expect to be able to just walk it back overnight.

[–] PunnyName 36 points 5 days ago (4 children)

USAID was, more than anything, a means of positive international relations. It was a 2 prong approach of foreign aid and foreign good will. The mid 1900s US made a lot of fucking enemies, and USAID was one very solid method of trying to overcome the damage wrought by our government.

And now TB supplies – that were already paid for – are rotting in warehouses (among many other issues). Not only will that harm people, it will harm our reputation, AND increase antibiotic resistant TB, which will in turn affect the rest of the world including the US itself.

And that's only one piece of the very large clusterfuck.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, even just kicking out these crazies isn't a good fix because they've already demonstrated they're more than willing to lie, cheat, and steal to hold on to or gain power.

The only justice I'd trust would need to come at the end of a rope, and it'd need to include a LOT of colluders at the very least in cells as well. That includes certain media organizations that helped enable this shit-show as well.

After all that, the American public needs to force better, including proper regulation and enforcement of public over corporate interests. While some of it has been astroturfing, the embedded cleptocracy and corporate interest in the Democratic party also needs to be fixed (or both parties turfed and new better choices), because "lesser evil" is not good enough.

Other countries should also take heed from the US situation. This is what happens when you continually tolerate the intolerable, and when your government is owned by a billionaire+ untouchable aristocracy with a corporate shield protecting them from consequences.

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[–] Goodmorningsunshine 22 points 5 days ago

We entirely are. Our lifetimes in this country will never see another good day of it.

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[–] [email protected] 218 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I'm a federal employee. You have no idea the stress my family and I have been dealing with since that motherfucker swore in.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A relative of mine is a state employee... he had two reports that'd applied for transfer to the equivalent federal departments... and those two have now withdrawn their requests.

I wish you the best of luck and I thank you for your contribution to public well being.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago

They wouldn't have been hired anyway. We had people who were supposed to start on Monday, January 27th. On Thursday the 23rd, their offers were rescinded and we were told they wouldn't be starting. I can only imagine. Of course they had already quit their previous job. Now what the fuck are they doing?

[–] tanisnikana 47 points 5 days ago (12 children)

He didn't swear in. Elon just showed up.

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[–] Freefall 98 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We had their playbook with p2025 and did nothing. They started enacting it, and we still do nothing. We could have shock-and-awed them right back with prepared lawsuits and movements blow for blow, and nothing.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 47 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

We had their playbook with p2025 and did nothing.

Liberals ran out their strongest champions

  • Chuck Schumer
  • Richie Torries
  • The Cheney Family
  • The UK Labor Party campaign staff
  • Ted Cruz's former chief of staff at the Lincoln Project
  • Some very reputable and trustworthy staffers from AIPAC

And spent over $1B of donor money in order to tell people that only ~~Joe Biden~~ Kamala Harris can Beat Trump, after a no-contest primary. A full year of campaigning. They brought Jeff Flake up as a surprise guest for the DNC!

You can't reasonably call that nothing. It felt like less than nothing.

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[–] Allonzee 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (27 children)

The DNC and their non-spoiler neoliberals are still getting their sweet sweet oligarch bribe checks, so all is right with the world as far as they're concerned.

They're literally more defensive about any actual leftwing movement to get them to defend the people from the murderous capitalists destroying us and the planet for short term profit.

We either need a populist to steal the DNC's machine from them as they're kicking and screaming like Trump did the RNC, make a 3rd party, the best option have a hot revolution starting with Wall Street, or accept this hell as we sleepwalk into oblivion.

Blue no matter who is rearranging deck chairs on a sinking ship. I voted for Harris out of some harm reduction, but the capitalists are the problem and own both parties. Republicans revel in the cruelty and are simply louder about it. Democrats will support your freedom to be LGBTQ... As you die in the gutter of poverty, exposure, and capital defense force brutality. Here have an affirmation ribbon to use as a blanket and/or snack in your cardboard box as they support the industry denying the claims for the nerve damage that made you lose your shitty subsistence job when your treatment would cut into their profit expectations.

Both parties support the "Freedom" of the rich to toss capital batteries they broke into the trash when they're no longer of use to their bottom line. Freedom without social responsibility is a rampage.

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[–] [email protected] 157 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Not personally and directly, no, but broadly, yes - I do know the irreversible damage they're doing.

And here's the real key to it all - none of it is accidental. The damage is the point.

Their goal is actually very simple - it's to utterly destroy every aspect of the government that benefits the common people or inconveniences the wealthiest few, in order to convert it explicitly and entirely into a mechanism for protecting and expanding the privilege of the wealthiest few at the expense of everyone else.

[–] CuddlyCassowary 80 points 5 days ago (16 children)

And they announced it and fully laid out a plan ahead of time. This should come as a surprise to no one who is literate.

[–] BrotherL0v3 59 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It burns my ass that some folks actually bought the whole "Trump doesn't support Project 2025" bullshit. I cannot imagine being such a gullible, credulous moron.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

To add more context - I’m a federal employee who has received these Fork emails -

They always come out at night, usually ~ 8-9 pm Eastern. One came out on a Sunday night. So you show up for work the next morning and that’s what’s waiting for you. I’m convinced this is done on purpose, to fuck with us.

As Vought (perfect Bond villain name, right?) said:

“Put Them In Trauma”

They literally want to traumatize us. They hate us because for decades we’ve been the only ones to tell them no. No, Elon, you can’t fuck all kinds of shit up when you launch a spaceship. No, Elon, you can’t make the stock market go haywire because you were high and tweeted something stupid. No, Elon, you can’t make a deal with the Pentagon and then run to Putin and do something completely different.

Elon does not like to be told no, but Elon can’t go 5 minutes without acting like the entitled dipshit that he is, so here we are.

And so, ~ 2.5 million civil servants - scientists, healthcare researchers, USAID, engineers, doctors, etc etc, will feel his wrath because he can’t be told no.

I took a big pay cut for this job because I valued job security over money after growing up in a household where jobs were not guaranteed and my parents struggled. Finally I got there after trying for years, and now Elon has to throw a shit fit.

But it’s not about me - I’ll be ok, but many others won’t. And we won’t get it back without a lot of work, work that I’m not sure that we, as a country, are going to be willing to do. The brain drain and decades of knowledge capture will be lost forever. And that’s by design - now we can all go work for contractors with fewer benefits and no job security and help Elon to make even more money.

One of the Fork emails taunted us by saying that we should be happy to leave our low productivity jobs in government so that we could go work high productivity jobs in the private sector. (So funny!) I know that’s bullshit, but also I’m old enough to not let 4chan incels trigger me that easily.

I do worry about my younger/newer coworkers though, whose heads are spinning. So, I try to help them. I’m educating them about the union and hopefully giving them the tools to get through this and deal with what comes after in the best way possible, whatever that may be.

So the next time you have to go to some annoying government place with a long line and you’re tired and hungry and frustrated, please try to remember that whoever you end up coming face to face with may have just gotten another email trolling them and telling them what a piece of shit they are and they should resign from their jobs. Just give them some grace. Be kind.

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[–] thisorthatorwhatever 52 points 5 days ago (29 children)

The U.S.A. is done. Such sabotage by Trump, Musk and MAGA takes decades to recover from. 40 to 50 at least; rebuilding the civil service, amending all the laws back to normal, fixing the Supreme Court, probably needing Constitutional amendments. This easily echos for a hundred years.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

So a narcissistic billionaire is indirectly ruling your country, without even being elected, and you guys are just cool with that?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I have so many ideas about it, before it even began. Good luck to you all, may we survive this next fascist cycle

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Everyone who perceived the Harris pivot as "playing to lose" has ideas about it. We're over-represented on Lemmy as compared with the voting public. The Republican party has been sufficiently horrifying for sufficiently long, that there is an entire generation of voters who "lean left", but have no idea where to even begin actually holding their party accountable for things.

In 1984 Jesse Jackson had his Rainbow Coalition, but they gave us Walter Mondale. The same thing happened with Bernie in both 2016 and 2020. In the USA there is a capitalist part and a fash party, and no room is permitted on the stage for anything other than tightly controlled powerless opposition.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (4 children)

He'll ruin the gov like he ruined X

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[–] credo 87 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Working as a federal employee comes with a set of golden handcuffs. You trade in a decent salary for retirement at the end. Firing people, or even asking them to leave for less than 10 months salary (maybe) is a huge Fuck You to those who have already sacrificed years of time. When you started your career- you couldn’t possibly predict something like a Trump train coming along to piss all over your life’s plans.

Who the fuck, with any level of competence, would ever want to apply for a federal position after seeing this shit show?

[–] bassomitron 57 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Who the fuck, with any level of competence, would ever want to apply for a federal position after seeing this shit show?

That's the point. Musk et. al. are foreign assets with orders to weaken NATO and the US at all costs. They are successfully accomplishing their orders. And once the US's economy has spiraled and collapsed, the USD will no longer be a trusted currency used for global trade. Then it's BRIC's time to shine. That's their dream, at least.

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[–] Theonetheycall1845 33 points 5 days ago (8 children)

What I don't understand is that no one is stopping this from happening. They're all just letting it happen. Perhaps because they are afraid to lose their jobs but at what cost? I've lost all hope for this country and I wish to God I could move. Oh well.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have an idea, normal thinking Americans do

I also have an idea of how many billions of dollars in lawsuits taxpayers will be on the hook for in the coming 25 years

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 days ago (16 children)

We know. What we don't know is why are all civil servants just rolling over, instead of applying simple sabotage.

[–] lennybird 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

It's easy to volunteer other people, but these are civil servants who inherently believe in the rule of law by default. That programming in itself makes it hard to go against this lifelong belief in doing things by the book.

I hope they can do what they can to resist, but I also don't believe this is on them either. If the former President in a position of power couldn't put the brakes on this shit; if we as a society couldn't put the brakes on this on November 5th... Well, my expectations are very low. Things will have to come crashing down hard until the apathetic and ignorant wake up, I suspect.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

but these are civil servants who inherently believe in the rule of law by default. That programming in itself makes it hard to go against this lifelong belief in doing things by the book.

Most simple sabotage is doing things EXACTLY by the book... Civil servants often take shortcuts to expedite things. They should take ZERO shortcuts.

Elon toadie asks for a set of creds. Demand Toadie get all appropriate forms completed, first, and then demand documented procedure for obtaining those creds are followed TO THE LETTER. No rush jobs. No prodding the ticket holder for updates. Just exactly like the book says to do it.

Just an example.

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[–] rational_lib 47 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What's annoying is the US cable/social media incessantly jumps right to the Trump/Musk framing of things.

The US AID shutdown has led to food aid stuck at ports as populations that rely on it starve.

A report on Monday from Paul Martin, the USAid inspector general, found that close to half a billion dollars’ worth of food was rotting because of confusion surrounding Mr Trump’s freeze last month.

How many americans have heard about the consequences of Trump's actions? 1%? How many have heard about Elon's vague and baseless claims that US AID is a big fraud? It seems every Republican I know has heard that.

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[–] JakJak98 40 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's crazy how bad it's going to get in the next few months. I work for a branch in the fed that's almost all remote work, about 10 out of 150 or so are in person including myself. I know I'll be safe, but my team? Section? Branch? All screwed. Then what's left, for me to be swallowed by a RIF? The deal was tempting because of the threat behind your inaction likely not mattering.

Hoping it cools off soon. It's hard to sleep lately.

It double sucks because I just got my spouse into a federal job (she got herself in, but I provided her resources, resume building, etc, of course.) But now since she's considered probationary and a temporary hire? She might be let go and swallowed into regret.

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