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with bonus threat of increasing tariffs if any retaliation...

Charge US $30B per month for NORAD access. If Russia can strike Permean basin with nuclear ICBM then that can help their negotiations with ending war on Ukraine. Fund UBI based on NORAD fee.

Eliminate tariffs on China. Sanctions on Russia. US industry that says it will make long term expansion investments in US to cut off Canadian supplies, gets immediate China contracts in response. Or make comensurate "lease fee" for NORAD higher.

Fentanyl and immigration is complete BS. This is a declaration of war based on manufacturing a false "national emergency" pretext. Any response that doesn't treat it as a war declaration by US is pathethic weakness and politician/Canadian treason to their CIA masters.

Make the US beg to treat Canada much better than it was treated before these tariff declarations. USA collapse is necessary for Canada to prevail. Not begging to let Trump declare you a sufficient sycophantic bitch, which won't happen.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

I propose we temporarily adopt the "trade war" flag

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Why not ban American imports, ban American passports, close American embassies, order American businesses and schools to leave the country?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think the shutdown of auto and aerospace manufacturing will do enough damage on both sides.

Relationships between the us and Canada are forever tainted thanks to the orange douche bag. I think it's time to do a few things

Invalidate NAFTA 2.0 and negotiate solely with Mexico when it comes up for renewal.

Also Look at existing agreements with the us and consider them null and void or at the very least about to spoil. Defence agreements technically fall here so let's prep for the us turning Thier backs on us.

Revert copyright laws to more sane say 10 years plus a 5 year extension if warranted and justification is more than more moneies please. Make this retroactive to all works in all mediums in all fields.

Consider poaching talent from the US offer good apples a way out and use the talent to making a greener economy. Let's not rush to the bottom here let's make Canada better stronger and more resilient to energy price swings.

Invest in projects that improve our resilience to market forces. Let's try some ideas out vertical farms solar on new builds micro nuclear reactors lets give the lot a go and see what sticks.

Strengthen our electoral process maybe make a stab at something other than first pass the post. make it so the gop playbook doesn't work here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Invalidate NAFTA 2.0 and negotiate solely with Mexico when it comes up for renewal.

Get immediate Mexican substitutes for produce/food. Get US to clarify that Mexico-Canada trade by land is tariff free. Otherwise, get China and other help in increasing ships available. Definitely allow transshipping from China into US to ensure high volume of ships headed to Canada/Mexico. Put a small export tax on these, to fund relief for Canadians. Send GPUs to China/tier 3 list at markup. Yes, NAFTA 2 is invalid until the false pretense "national emergency" for US to invalidate NAFTA is removed.

Consider poaching talent from the US offer good apples a way out and use the talent to making a greener economy

I don't like your other "permanent" solutions, but aggressively inviting entire US states to join Canada should be policy. Future sustainable world needs UBI as "restrained political structure" that distributes power from politicians to people. This also makes Canada more resilient to "invasion" in that the new ruler needs to keep the "populist support programs". A high carbon tax is part of UBI funding. UBI funding can be spllit between Fed, Province, cities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is a war declared by US rulers. Your measures would hurt individual Americans specifically.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but at some point you have to hold the voters to accord? They wanted this. They voted for this. He literally told them he would do this. And then he won the popular vote.

Like it or not, the only way I see getting out of this mess is mass suffering of the US population. I can't see any other way to have the cult fall apart. Though it make just strengthen it too.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago

Yeah, but at some point you have to hold the voters to accord? They wanted this. They voted for this. He literally told them he would do this. And then he won the popular vote.

"Solve the fentanyl and immigration "crisis"" was a Mexico thing. "There is nothing Canada can do, and we must extort them through economic warfare to force them to become 51st state" was bs after election.

Like it or not, the only way I see getting out of this mess is mass suffering of the US population.

"This is an act of war, and national emergency is bs pretext for act of war, means that Canada must end military cooperation with US, or demand high fees for cooperation on NORAD and 5 eyes. Canada will stop viewing US/Israel enemies/adversaries as its own."

National population opinion is what media says is opinion. Politicians needing Canada to be a colony, NORAD, US weapons customer, never mind actually providing the radar forewarning of Russian iCBM strikes, that deters Russia from winning war in Ukraine in a day, while simultaneously collapsing US economy through strike on Permean oil basin, is the leverage Canada needs at political level of US, which is all that matters. Failure to threaten US with neutrality, is failure to impress inconveniences to US evil warmongering on Canada vs "colonial status it used to enjoy".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Don't worry, things will probably get pretty bad without needing to do all this.

[–] Evotech 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

There is no "too extreme" to open fascism and a known threat.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

American here. If you want to hurt us, shut off our power. You supply oil, natural gas, and hydroelectric to multiple states including my own. If you shut off Vermonts hydroelectric via hydro Quebec during winter we’d be completely fucked. I’m kinda hoping you do so we have a reason to secede and potentially join you as a province if you’d allow it. Fuck America.

[–] Almrond 3 points 6 days ago

American here, you guys have a huge number here on your side. We need another 1814 in a really bad way.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I prefer "double" export tariffs to shutoffs. Electricity 50%, and oil 20%. split between federal and provinces. Stuff like OJ and Bourbon, 50%+ tariffs instead of blocking imports.

Absolutely, soliciting US states to join confederation as a province is something that should be open, official policy, now. You/we can "dress it up" as US constitutional convention (normally 75% of states call for, but 10 provinces too) for exploration of 10 new states joining, or dividing "the union" into Canada and US.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I’m not sure I’m following you on the constitutional convention. Do Canadians have their own version of that? In America it will never happen, we wouldn’t be able to get whatever the legal majority (2/3?) is to do anything. I’m kind of hoping that most Americans are so dumb they don’t even know we’re a state, and we’re so small and economically unimportant that if we left they wouldn’t even notice.

I’ve legit been on the phone with some customer service rep from some other part of the country and they asked me if vermont was a country and where in the world it is. I mean we were… before we became the 14th state.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Do we have to hurt socialist Vermont of all things? 🥹

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It’s not that I want you to hurt us, it’s that I want you to accelerate our secession from the failed disunited states. I want nothing to do with our fascist federal government.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The turd thinks the US are needed by everyone, but the truth is the world can and will live without them. What he's not asking himself (because he's afraid of the answer or simply too stupid to realize) is if the US can live without the world. And the answer is no. But he'll get there in due time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Maybe in ~1970 we could but our oligarchs shipped all of our manufacturing abroad. And even so, raw materials come from everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

With a US war declaration, Canada needs to join rest of world aggressively. Eliminating US empire dictated sanctions. NORAD is essential to US global extortion. The only withdrawal to US's declaration of war comes with just "flirting" with US national security diminishment, and freedom from colonization.

Outcompete Mexico on Fentanyl, with a mission to cut Heroin with it for purposes of killing US addicts as a Canadian government program is a better response to end the war than appeasement. No visas for Iran IRGC soldiers while tariffs apply.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Outcompete Mexico on Fentanyl, with a mission to cut Heroin with it for purposes of killing US addicts as a Canadian government program is a better response to end the war than appeasement.

That’s fucked up and won’t move the needle at all, you’re just doing the fascists work for them. They’d probably like it if you would kill off our drug addicts.

The lowest of American society didn’t vote for this… they likely didn’t vote at all. Aim at the top. Shut off the ability of rich Americans to enter your country. No more ski vacations. Seize American owned properties and redistribute to your own people (with the option for Americans to renounce citizenship and gain Canadian and keep their property).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

American Exceptionalism makes it hard for a lot of Americans to have an "are we the baddies" moment.

[–] pixxelkick 35 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Canada also needs to spin up a full on poaching program and asylum program.

Any US citizen with a fairly clean criminal record (with anything legal in Canada ignored, IE possession of weed would be ignored as that's legal here) ca apply for immediate Canadian citizenship as long as they renounce America

Priority given to anyone with any form of valuable skills, degrees, tickets, certificates, etc

If you can build houses, you get in and can start work ASAP.

We need to simply poach the US's valuable workforce at a time like this, which instantly will drag down their overall economy.

All your best scientists? Teachers? Engineers? Developers? Architects? Plumbers? Electricians? Doctors, nurses, surgeons? You name it, we should poach it right now on a fast track, watch as the US suddenly watches huge swaths of its work force evaporate.

Follow up with just cutting off trade with the US for as long as it takes. Completely sever their energy, oil, food, lumber, etc supply.

The entire north will quickly dry up as suddenly food skyrockets in price.

Finally end respecting of US patents and trademarks. Start quickly making our own versions of drugs patented in the US, but way cheaper.

Want our cheap drugs and better medical systems? Our poaching asylum system is ready for you.

[–] CoriolisSTORM88 6 points 1 week ago

Visited Nova Scotia for work several years ago. I'd go back in a heartbeat! Sign me up, and it'd get me out of Alabama.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

That's an evil idea - I love it. (As an American)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

I'd take that deal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Honestly, if we can un-fuck housing then this is a great idea. Problem is I really don't believe we can un-fuck housing at this point.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Take meeeeee. I have some carpentry experience.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

If big 3 auto does the slightest signal to support Trump, nationalize with zero compensation any Canadian assets.

[–] Kyle_The_G 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

why don't we apply for eu membership? /s(?). US is too erratic, why not reach out for other partnerships?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)
  1. The EU wouldn't take us.
  2. Western Canada would see joining the EU as a bad deal. Alberta especially would be very opposed to it.
[–] khannie 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The EU wouldn't take us.

I'd actually love to have Canada in the EU. Not sure if the rules would allow it and there would definitely be issues around standards but I feel like most Europeans would be me more than open to the notion.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I propose: you trade Alberta to the US and receive New England and the Pacific Northwest?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I'm in Alberta, so no :(

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How does trumb have this power? Taxes should start in congress

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

How the fuck is Elon fucking musk taking over all these different us bureaucracies? Don’t know but it’s happening. The “law” is a fig leaf. They don’t give a fuck.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Creating a fake "national emergency" means dictatorial powers. This is a declaration of war because the national emergency is false, and a pretext for war and extortion.

There is a need to suspend our "military alliance"/subservience while these tariffs apply.

[–] psmgx 0 points 1 week ago

ITT we pretend we're Russian agi-prop

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Today's the day when almost everything @humanspiral wrote in a post made sense without seeming like a complete foreign agent. 😂

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Today is the day where "US empire values" makes you rethink your unwitting foreign agent role. :P

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