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In a virtual speech at the World Economic Forum, Trump suggested Canada could become a U.S. state to avoid his proposed tariffs on imports.

The remark elicited gasps from the audience.

Trump claimed the U.S. does not need Canadian lumber, energy, or vehicles, vastly overstating the trade deficit between the two nations.

He reiterated his intention to impose tariffs, potentially as high as 25%, on imports from Canada and Mexico starting February 1.

Economists warn such tariffs would raise prices for U.S. consumers.

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[–] SirMaple__ 3 points 22 minutes ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

Please let this be the trigger for free trade with Europe and all that lovely meat and cheese.

[–] r0ertel 58 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I'm going to keep posting this every time I see a reference to US tariffs against Canada.

https://pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/

The TL;DR is that tariffs would violate the NAFTA / USMCA treaty in which Canada agreed to respect US copyright law in exchange for free trade. No free trade? Canada doesn't need to respect US copyright any longer and can become a flourishing economy of products to compete with US products that are massively overpriced. Think printer ink and other stuff.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Sweet. Host all pirate sites in Canada.

[–] r0ertel 1 points 27 minutes ago

I was thinking to host pirate sites of US movies, software, etc. Get the US companies to tell the orange buffoon to behave or better yet, move the companies to Canada.

I really like the article's reference to manufacturing US DMCA-breaking technologies and forcing devices to host app stores in Canada where the government can declare the 30% Apple tax illegal.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Idk if it's just for individuals, but our ISPs generally don't care about pirating already. I use a VPN to pirate here but just set to another city in Canada. I only even do that because I run jellyfin and have terabytes of downloads a month.

Worst case scenario is the ISP sends you a notice that the media companies are mad, but that's the end of it. They won't pursue anything further because they don't care

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It’s not illegal to download something, it’s illegal to host something (seeding)

ISPs are compelled to notify you of copyright notices but they can’t hand your information over so you can only get caught if you respond

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

And even if you are dumb enough to respond to one of those emails, the liability is limited to something $50 per title. So it's not worth the money to pay a lawyer to go after anyone. They will however try to trick you into a private settlement.

[–] AngryCommieKender 21 points 5 hours ago

That's amazing. He's going to absolutely tank the US economy in his first financial quarter of his term.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 hours ago

I'm willing to die not to join the US.

[–] AnUnusualRelic 13 points 4 hours ago

I still remember fondly the Trump speech at the UN when the whole assembly laughed at him.

I suspect that there's going to be a lot more of that to come.

[–] notsoshaihulud 31 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Besides this being a distraction, it's more likely that in this case Canada would end up politically annexing the USA:

  • The 2 Senators and 50 something electoral votes for "Canada State" would mean that Canadians would end up controlling US politics. :D

Of course if one assumes that elections remain binding in the Turd Reich.

[–] neighbourbehaviour 11 points 6 hours ago

And if we get any representation.

[–] _bac 22 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Canada please join the EU!!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

We’ve been trying but our current leader is pro-US

[–] [email protected] 68 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Canada if you're listening, you should burn down the white house like it's 1812

[–] MattTheProgrammer 2 points 3 hours ago

Just don't burn Buffalo this time, we'll help you!

[–] finitebanjo 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Reminder that Tariffs dont work as a threat to other nations.

The selling price is the same for the seller, they already give the lowest price they can profit from because the modern era allows international distributors to find a demand anywhere, the buyers are the ones paying the import tax for the same goods.

If you were selling and then the buyer had a tariff you wouldn't just agree to take less money as a result.

[–] kerrigan778 1 points 1 hour ago

That's not strictly true, they don't "pay the tariff" obviously but they do have to balance profit margin and lost sales. Tariffs are likely to decrease number of sales which does hurt their bottom line, the question then is if they just take a loss in sales, cut into their profit margins trying to lower the price to the US (very unlikely the margins are nearly enough for this to be viable let alone preferable) or increase prices further to offset the lower sales. Probably will be mostly the former with raw material type goods and mostly the latter with high end finished goods.

[–] victorz 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't the point to make the domestic customers choose products from other nations? Why wouldn't that be a threat to the nation that is selling?

[–] finitebanjo 1 points 4 hours ago

Idk but Trump just tried to threaten Canada with them so clearly some Americans don't know.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

Here's the plan. The Northern US states all join Canada. The Southern Half of US states join Mexico. The US is gone. Canada & Mexico join to become 1 huge nation. (putin shits himself!) And then we deport ALL the conservatives out of North America, and live happily ever after. Problem solved. You're Welcome.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Deport them to... Where? Space? I hope. Without oxygen.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] marcos 6 points 6 hours ago

Well, they need people to conscript...

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 12 hours ago

Remember when he said he was gonna end the war in gaza and ukraine?

Or cut the prices on gas and food?

Yea, this is abuse of the news cycle. It's just manipulation of news cycle so you don't think about any losses, mistakes or other shit.

[–] pixxelkick 83 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

So many people are extremely missing the point here

Trump is purposefully threatening Canada to give his canadian conservative buddy Poilievre something to "fight" against, to make him look good

"Wow Poilievre is standing up against Trump, I'm gonna vote for him!"

That's the game plan, in reality the two dipshits are best buds and can collude together to fuck over both countries extra hard, after conservatives get a majority over here.

It's a stunt to get conservatives in charge over here "against" Trump, which is so fucking stupid and yet it's probably gonna work cuz so many people are gonna fall for it.

I don't think the liberal party has a good play against it, other than if our new liberal leader challenges Trump and musk to a boxing match and literally bears the shit out of them on live television

I unironically think the Lincoln "I'll fight you let's go right now" leader who seriously fucks up Musk or Zuckerberg or any of those dipshits on live television would actually win by a landslide here

It's fuckin stupid but that's what works apparently...

[–] fox2263 1 points 11 minutes ago

He’s done the same with Putin

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I don't think the liberal party has a good play against it, other than if our new liberal leader challenges Trump and musk to a boxing match and literally bears the shit out of them on live television

Ahh, well that's not good. Love him or hate him, I think one thing everyone could agree on about Trudeau is that he'd do pretty well in a politician boxing league.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is purposefully threatening Canada to give his canadian conservative buddy Poilievre something to "fight" against, to make him look good

This theory is predicated on 1) Trump remembering who PP is, 2) caring enough about who is running Canada to have it drive policy.

I don't think either of these things are true.

[–] pixxelkick 1 points 4 hours ago

They literally have meetings, and Trump obviously cares about conservatives willing to help him grift being in charge...

[–] [email protected] 36 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

The Conservative Premier of Ontario, Doug Ford, is already doing that. I've heard his ads on the radio calling for Ontarioans to give him a majority government so he "can stand up to Trump". The guy spent his time as Premier standing up to nurses and bike lanes. This new stand up against Trump shtick is just more faux populism.

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[–] [email protected] 179 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (10 children)

The US consumers voted for Trump to lower the price of eggs.

The price of eggs is soaring today. Why? Because bird flu is killing chicken.

So what does Trump do? He cancels research on bird flu. Surely the irony won't be missed on the magats who voted him in.

And now this: aggression against allied nations that will result in more price hikes. More irony for the maga morons to enjoy.

It's only been 4 days. It's gonna be a long 4 years...

[–] marcos 11 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Surely the irony won’t be missed on the magats who voted him in.

Oh... You have some completely unrealistic faith on Humanity...

Of course they will miss the irony. And in 4 years, they will claim the constant 4 years of inflation on Biden.

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