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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

It's nice of you to leal to Israel but that's not what I was referring to.

There's other policies that the Democrats could have absolutely pushed for. For instance reinstating the protection plans under the American relief plan that they allowed to expire in 2022. You know the thing they said massively reduce child poverty only for it to go immediately back up when those protections ended. I feel like that would have been a great place for the Dems to start. We're talking basic fucking things like a Band-Aid fix on Healthcare would be enough to mobilize the base but they're not even willing to do that. Kamalas pathetic approach to Home Care was to give first-time home buyers $12,000. This is stupid because nobody can afford a house or get the mortgage for the house because the banks aren't satisfied with their debt to income ratio. Nothing about dealing with rent nothing about promising that linacon would stay on. Nothing about dealing with that internet driven rent demand bullshit from that company called real price. These aren't leftist points either just broad liberal points.

[–] _stranger_ 125 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Oh look at that, exactly what literally every sane person predicted would happen is happening.

[–] SupraMario 36 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yep all those idiot protest voters getting exactly what trump said he would do.

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[–] Majorllama 106 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I would be curious to see the numbers but I don't think the pro Palestine protest voters cost the Democrats the election. It definitely didn't help, but the Dems shat the bed in way more ways than just the Palestine situation.

[–] givesomefucks 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If they did, then all the neolibs were wrong that voters don't care about Palestine...

Which logically means the party needs to move to the left at least enough so that genocide isn't acceptable.

Instead, they act like fucking trump supporters and brag that a genocide is still happening.

There's zero logic or empathy with them, which is why some people call them "blue maga".

They're the ones that didn't stop watching CNN even after the new buyers blatantly and publicly said their goal was to become the fox news if he left.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (8 children)

You are aware that people can hold two beliefs at once, right?

  1. Democrats are not doing enough and were actively allowing a genocide under their watch.
  2. Inside our current system, the most powerful act a citizen can perform is voting.

So, not voting and encouraging others not to vote because "blue MAGA" is actively helping the people who are currently enacting genocide+.

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[–] PugJesus 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (36 children)

Pro-Palestine protest votes didn't cost the Dems the election, but that a single group was not the deciding factor in a contest does not absolve them of responsibility. IE single-issue pro-Israel voters probably were not the reason for Trump's victory, but they still deserve a portion of the blame in voting for Trump.

And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Pretty much. They didn't offer anything their constituents wanted except for escape from DJT.

[–] Majorllama 16 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Unfortunately "We aren't Donald Trump" wasn't a winning strategy two of the three times they tried it.

I wonder what two terrible choices we are gonna have in 2028. Watch it be like fuckin Nancy Pelosi with an exoskeleton holding her up vs Dan Crenshaw who will have replaced his eye patch with a gun by then.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Well many folks stayed home, and there's no number for that (by intention...staying home is staying home) so it would be hard to quantify.

But apathy in the face of a trump second term is worth discussing, given what was common knowledge about him by then

[–] Majorllama 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I think the 2024 election cycle failure falls almost exclusively on the shoulders of the Democrats.

Yeah Trump and his bullshit obviously played a part in where we ended up, but I genuinely believe that it more so came down to how the Democrats handled things in the years leading up to and during the election. I know people want to shift blame and point fingers. You could even make the argument that I'm doing that right now, but the data says otherwise.

It's not like Trump is some generally beloved figure that was already super popular. No he's highly controversial. Many old school Republicans and conservatives despise the guy.

So how does someone that nobody on the left likes and significant chunks on the right also aren't a fan of end up in the office again?

At some point the democratic party need to actually reflect on where they went wrong instead of just pointing fingers and trying to shift blame.

At the end of the day it's the job of the party to earn the votes of the people. They clearly didn't earn enough votes.

Blue lost ground to red in every single state. That type of thing doesn't just happen outta nowhere.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I acknowledge that the Dems MUST change. That's super true.

But based on real historical information about trump, plus his clear intentions for this term, I would have elected an incontinent Chihuahua over trump. At least the Chihuahua would have just shit on the floor of the oval office rather than trashing minority/immigrant rights, climate/science progress, and health research and vaccine implementation all in the first week.

So if there's criticism of dems, which is valid, there's a seeming lack of acknowledgement of the risks trump poses, which are in great excess to anything DEM status quo

[–] Furbag 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

True. People keep saying there was nothing different from the Harris campaign that made her different from Biden, but when you compare the status quo, even the version of the status quo that Biden's biggest critics were inventing, it would have still been preferable to re-electing the guy who tried to literally steal the election last time. We could have only been so lucky to have the status quo.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Bullshit. I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.

Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party that can only drive votes with threats of even worse. It’s pretty easy to not fund a genocide and lie and say it isn’t happening when it clearly is. Dems can blame only themselves for poor turnout.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yeah, I voted blue, but I knew this was going to happen regardless of who won.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (6 children)

yeah when the choice is between horrible and double super extra horrible, it’s hard to get really motivated to vote for horrible….

it’s pretty much the genocide version of the trolly problem. palestine genocide is on one track, on the other track, there’s the palestinian genocide, trans genocide, hispanic genocide, and entire planet ecocide…

the choice is obvious but not particularly inspiring… at least under harris there was some hope of lobbying her to stop… protest at the whitehouse now and trump will try to have you shot… hopefully they refuse next time.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago

Coworker: "I hate trump, he should never be president!" Me: "So you're voting Harris?" Coworker: "I don't know if we're ready for a WoMaN president"

Asking for a friend, where is the nearest cliff? He would like to go jump off of it.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago

Trump claiming credit for ceasefire and then destroying the region was always Bibi's plan. The propalestine protestors were against the administration for refusing to acknowledge that the israeli's were not negotiating in good faith. Had they played hard ball things might have been different.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Maybe the political party should have conformed to the pressure of the people who vote in its party. Just saying.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.

Also funny to imagine protest voters being powerful enough to sway the election but not powerful enough for Dems to listen to

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[–] HappySkullsplitter 34 points 1 week ago

Good thing they got rid of Genocide Joe to pave the way Death dealing Donny

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (17 children)

In general, let’s gently redirect anger away from protest voters.

First, I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that the volume of protest votes would have impacted the Electoral College. Harris would have likely won Michigan, but that seems to be the extent of what would have happened if all protest votes had flipped to blue. (Please feel free to correct me with evidence if this is inaccurate.)

Second, you’re directing your frustration at the wrong group. The Democratic Party ran a campaign that was basically center right and fostered mass apathy at the polls. That’s the real issue. You can continue to direct anger at non-voters, but all this infighting does little to hold the Democratic Party accountable for running a campaign that encouraged people to literally stay home.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Hey Kamala, just say Genocide bad ... just once, you don't even need to action it, we all know politicians lie as easily as breath. Just once and you make history.

The walking special K ad throwing salutes is the result of protest votes not the continuing genocide. Palestine would burn under either administration.

[–] cm0002 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, that should tell you ALL you needed to know

[–] givesomefucks 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Yet Biden continued to put Israel over America...

And Kamala pledged to be the same as Biden.

So why aren't you blaming them for continuing to support a genocide even though literally every poll said it was going to get trump elected?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (7 children)

If only they'd put this much effort into getting one person to change her mind on the issue, instead of trying to get 10 million people to change their morals.

It appears especially ghoulish now after it came out that even her campaign's polling showed that it was a losing position.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Wow if only there were something the candidate could have done to attract those voters. Guess we'll never know.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Yes, keep blaming the voters and not the democratic party and candidate who repeatedly refused to give them a reason to vote for them. Blaming the voters will definitely win us the next election.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

refused to give them a reason to vote for them

If stopping fascism isn't enough of a reason for you to vote Dems, that's a you problem and not a them problem.

[–] givesomefucks 16 points 1 week ago

If stopping fascism isn’t enough of a reason for you to vote Dems, that’s a you problem and not a them problem

If stopping fascism wasn't enough of a reason for Biden and Kamala to stop supporting a genocide...

Maybe they weren't the right candidates?

I don't get why so many people think voters always have to adapt their values to an existing politician, rather than getting a politician who agrees with voters....

Like, how fucking evil would someone have to be to risk trump taking over America rather than not supporting a genocide?

Take Biden and Kamala's name off it, and just how the fuck can someone say that hypothetical person would be a good president?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago
[–] Rhoeri 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (35 children)

The Protest Vote Paradox™

As we’ve all read time after time in the months leading up to the election, the Protest Vote™ simply states states that:

“We refuse to vote against a Tyrant-Felon in order to send a clear and concise message that we will not stand for [roll D20 for random popular single issue], and alongside our refusal to vote against the Tyrant-Felon, is a collective hope that the aforementioned clear and concise message- if ignored, is received under unmitigated duress!”

-Cut to Tyrant-Felon’s win, and the aftermath:

Wether observed or not, the behavior of the Protest Voter will attempt to achieve the following:
• Obnoxiously tell everyone “We told you all what would happen!”
• Claim there is “No way protest voting could cause trump to win.”

As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true in the same reality without breaking important time-space things that we would probably prefer not be broken- we are left with only a few logical conclusions:

  1. Protest voters have no idea what they’re talking about.
  2. Protest voters don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.
  3. Protest voters have somehow learned to defy reality and become exempt from the concept of paradoxes, thus creating an entirely new study of theoretical science, known as Bulletproof Symbiotic Hypocrisy Theory, or BLsHt.

Something, something, something Ted Talk.

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[–] Gammelfisch 13 points 1 week ago

FAFO! Big time. Bunch of idiots. They do not understand that Israel has the USA by the balls and this has been going on since the USS Liberty.

[–] MapleEngineer 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Finally I can stop wondering how the protest voters handle aiding and completing a genocide while claiming to have any sense of morality at all.

They ignore it because they never cared, that's IT! NOTHING ELSE. ITS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSES FAULT BECAUSE OF THEIR NARCISSISM.

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