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As I understand, they’re under no obligation whatsoever to obey jack shit from comrade trump if said jack shit involved orders to turn weapons on Americans on American soil.
And such a request should come with it an immediate impeachment hearing and a tribunal to determine how many years in prison he should get.
There are more peremptory methods available as well.
Dude's already been impeached twice. What the hell does that shit even do? I remember it being a huge deal with Clinton and that didn't seem to change things either.
impeached is like "tried in court"
neither Clinton nor Trump was convicted, which would have meant removal from office.
Bypass Congress court martial him and chuck him in Leavenworth, Gitmo, or some gods forsaken blacksite in Alaska.
This is one of the very few exceptions I have for the death penalty.
Hopefully the US military will honor and protect the US Constitution. If key officers drank the shitty Orang Kool-Aid, then the USA will have become FUBAR (Fucked-up Beyond All Repair).
There are definitely hawks in the upper echelons of military power, but I've never met one who didn't hold the ideals of the United States as sacred.
I believe they will stand against tyranny. At first.
Then they will be replaced, made examples of, forced into retirement, and violently removed. If history is any indication.
I'm no military or historical expert, but I do believe if we're counting on our military to save the country it is already lost.
Well then, the US is facing what the Germans went through in the late 1920's to 30 Jan 1933.
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
-Commander Adama
Trump literally calls anyone who disagrees with him an "enemy of the state", so yeah, we're way past that.
The reason is that one is trained to (supposedly) keep the peace and prevent and investigate crimes. The other is trained to kill people. Military methods are incompatible with effective police work.
Ironically the American military is better at it than the police are. They usually only kill someone if they were being fired at first. It’s called rules of engagement. American police have zero concept of it.
Not exactly, read more US history, especially in situation when the military was called in to remove demonstrators. Look up the Bonus Army and no fucks were given even though the protestors were WW I veterans. Douglas MacArthur and George Patton were involved too. Disgusting piece of history.
You know that happened over 100 years ago right? Things have changed since then. If you wanted to make a good case, then you should have brought up Kent State because that one is very valid for criticism.
Largely because they’ve spent two decades trying to police Afghanistan.
Wait.....which is which?
So say we all!
Every person in the US military has a right to defy orders they see as inhumane or unethical
It is not a right. It is a duty to disobey.
Treatment of Whistleblowers makes this statement demonstrably false.
The constitution is your oath, not the president. Acknowledge that this administration is a domestic threat and deal with it.
The Praetorian Guard killed something like 13 emperors. Food for thought.
In their defense, they killed more terrible emperors than good ones.
Pertinax though... I'll never forgive them for that. Who knows how the entire world would look now if he'd been emperor for a decade or more...
Also installed its own. All power goes both ways.
In any case, even in US history military has been used against US citizens too. Not many things can really be new.
Didn't you hear? Apparently if we vote for it, a domestic threat is allowed to just walk on in and do his thing.
eyup. surprisingly voting for hitler gets you hitler. I was surprised pikachu as anybody about it.
This is an important step in establishing a police state, which will be crucial for when trump doesn't want to end his term peacefully.
He's got four years to shake any of the disloyalty out of military ranks. There is no reason at all to think he won't be president until he dies. The other side of that, of course, is that he's very old.
I feel fairly certain he's accomplished the downfall of the US, but not at all certain he has the wherewithal to follow through. The real question will be how the general population handles the passing of the baton.
Wasn’t that literally the last thing Julius Caesar did immediately before declaring himself emperor for life?
I wonder how many people using social media today have gone back and actually watched the beating of Rodney King.
It is really horrifying. And VHS video recorders are the only reason the police were caught.
There are countess stories like this one that never ended in riot's. One that comes to mind is Kelly Thomas a mentally I'll man, schizophrenic if I remember correctly. I remember Thomas cried out for his mother as they beat him to death.
These atrocities sadly are commonplace here.
“There was real sensitivity about keeping federal troops away from the front lines,” said Ollivant, who was ordered in by President George H.W. Bush as rioters in central-south LA set fire to buildings, assaulted police and bystanders, pelted cars with rocks and smashed store windows in the aftermath of the videotaped police beating of Rodney King, a Black motorist. “They tried to keep us in support roles, backing up the police.”
Important to note the real reason they kept military and cops "from the front lines" is they kettled Black protestors into Koreatown and then just let the two groups of minorities to fight it out while cops, ambulances, and firefighters were forming a barrier to protect the white neighborhoods.
I stopped reading the article as soon as the author showed they didn't understand that. It's been over 30 years, if the author didn't know by now it's because they didn't bother to research what they're writing about.
I think the senior military types will only talk about this stuff to journalists who have swallowed at least a little bit of American propaganda, but yeah thank you for getting the correct version of history out there
I hope Trump is dumb enough to spend years hollowing the military out instead of doing the easy things. All he has to do in red states is convince the governors to use their National Guard. If they're under state orders there's no legal conflict. And in blue states he could start giving badges to the Proud Boys or whoever, (literally anyone willing to do his bidding) and set them loose as federal agents.
What the old officer corps is really afraid of here is the destruction of military norms and institutions.
There's also the police that are basically ready to go now. I wonder how ham the military would let the police and brown shirts go before stepping in. I'm guessing very very ham.
Yup, they'd make temporary on base housing available to soldiers who normally live off base to keep them away from the police in that case. But for the most part the attitude would be, "not my lane, not my problem."
Also, just to be clear, that temporary housing would be permanent. In the best tradition of governments everywhere.