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Summary

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum has launched the nationwide "Yes to Disarmament, Yes to Peace" program.

The program offers cash to citizens who anonymously surrender firearms, including $430 for revolvers, $1,200 for AK-47s, and $1,300 for machine guns.

The weapons will be destroyed.

The program, expanded from a 2019 Mexico City initiative, aims to combat violent crime, with firearms responsible for 70% of Mexico’s 31,062 homicides in 2023.

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[–] frog_brawler 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, you have to be a citizen to take advantage of the deal. That’s a huge paycheck for an AK though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure you could make a deal with a local. Only trouble is getting an AK47 over the boarder.

[–] frog_brawler 4 points 6 days ago

Just thinking about this a bit more now; in the world we live in, and considering the number of guns in the USA... if Mexico allowed for this program to go on for a while the USA could potentially inadvertently bankrupt the Mexican economy in gun-buybacks. It's kinda funny in a scary as fuck way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

I wonder how much gun running usually makes per AK.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Unfortunately so long as they border the US guns will be widely available. One of many reasons concerns about guns entering the US from Mexico are silly

[–] mastod0n 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Would be too bad if there was one or more organisations in Mexico with the means to import arms from abroad to make big bucks with this. Bonus for using the money to fund illegal operations.

[–] SoftTeeth 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Generally buyback programs are a success because they reduce the amount of guns.

Sorry you would rather pretend in some made up situation that there is an infinite amount of guns and nothing can be done to stop the unlimited flow of guns.

[–] frog_brawler 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Gun violence in the USA increases every year. Buyback programs have been happening for how long, since the 60’s?

Tell me more about how effective they are.

Also, until the manufacturing of firearms is eliminated… yes, there is essentially an unlimited supply.

To further compound the issue; the programs we’ve had in the US are voluntary. In the USA, there are more guns than people and firearms ownership is both engrained into the culture and a part of the constitution. In the hypothetical scenario that firearms manufacture were to be ended, and buy back programs were to become mandatory; which group of people are you going to task with rounding up all of the guns?

It’s a complex problem; maybe you need a pedant to understand some of the complexities.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive

This is the name for the concept which many commenters are describing

[–] PetteriPano 2 points 5 days ago

When my old man was little the local tobacco company would give you 50 penni for every rat tail you brought in.

It didn't take long for some kid to realise the best source of rat tails was the dumpster behind the tobacco factory.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You can breed cobras but you can't breed guns.

[–] amon 3 points 6 days ago

In some places I heard they make AK47 clones in village workshops

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

You can manufacture them with a lathe and CnC machine, and thats if you want quality. There are some rather terrifying Sten and Grease gun "replicas" in my area which you shouldnt shoot under any circumstances because they were manufactured in a shed by a half crazed Redneck and/or veteran back in the 90s.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 64 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Turns in $400 AK

Buys $1,200 FN P-90

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, you buy 3 AK's. Infinite money glitch.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 9 points 6 days ago

You're brilliant

[–] horse_battery_staple 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Where are you getting AKs that cheap?!

[–] NegativeLookBehind 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] horse_battery_staple 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The cheapest I've seen AK74/AK74Ms are around 14000 pesos($600), WASR and Milled AKs go for 20000($950) and up. That's outside of a gunshop in Mexico which if you're unfamiliar don't carry AKs or really any semi auto rifles due to the gun control there. So those are open air grey market prices.

On the black market they're even more expensive as they're guaranteed to work.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] horse_battery_staple 7 points 6 days ago

Goodluck I guess?

[–] frog_brawler 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

guns.com has one for $599 right now - it's brand new.

https://www.guns.com/firearms/p/century-arms-vska-tactical-blem?i=469321

You can find these substantially cheaper used.

[–] horse_battery_staple 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah that's a good deal in the US. Thanks

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Step 1. Buy ~$500 AR15

Step 2. Sell said AR15 for $1300 to the government

Step 3. Buy 2 ~$500 PSA AR15s

Step 4. Sell them to the government for $2600

...

Step11. Buy 32 ~$500 AR15s

Step 12. Sell them to the government for $41600

...

Step 25. Buy 16,384 ~$500 AR15s

Step 26. Sell them to the government for $21.3M

...

Step 39. Buy 2,097,152 ~$500 AR15s

Step 40. Sell them to the government for $2.7B

...

Continue until Mexico has run out of money

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

Calm down, Mr. Soros

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've never found a more intelligent loaf of bread

[–] AngryCommieKender 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

He's certainly on the level of Bernd das brot

[–] MolecularCactus1324 7 points 6 days ago

You always hear about these programs creating the wrong incentives. Soon enough, it’s easier to set up an AR15 factory and just start producing them so you can sell them to the government.

Georgia had program to try to cut down on the number of wild hogs that were overpopulated. So, they paid people a price per tail. Soon enough, you had people breeding wild hogs, so they could kill them and get the bounty.

[–] Kbobabob 1 points 5 days ago

Step 1. Buy ~$500 AR15

From where?

If you're in Mexico it would make more sense as the seller to sell it for the $1300.

If you're in the states, are you going to travel to and smuggle to Mexico?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's not going to be perfect, and unless you can stop the guns coming from the border it's not a permanent solution, but maybe it can help a handful of struggling youngsters to stay out of gangs and crime rings.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Maybe guns will stop coming across the boarder if they ask the CIA nicely?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

but maybe it can help a handful of struggling youngsters to stay out of gangs and crime rings.

Nah. Mexico needs a cultural shift for that to happen.

Too many of them revere gang violence, which is why it's so prevalent in their society.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

I think Mexico should invest in building some kind of border wall to keep all of the harmful stuff from the U.S out. They could even make the U.S pay for it

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Brazil did something similar a couple decades ago and it helped reduce numbers of violent crimes to some extent. The numbers were constantly going up year after year and this iniative made it go down drastically, but it continued going up at the same rate as it did before. After a decade or so it was already at the same rate as it used to be before they got the guns - and it kept going further up since

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[–] Death_Equity 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Just like with US buybacks, they will get guns that would never be used in a homicide, unless it were stolen.

[–] shalafi 2 points 6 days ago

And the same with other countries buybacks. The government gets sold a load of trashed/trashy guns, sellers get money for better guns.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Still fewer weapons 🤷

[–] givesomefucks 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What?!

You know guns last longer than people right?

Even if never sold and never stolen, they will eventually be inherited.

Like, you know great grandma didn't really move to a farm upstate, right?

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[–] ikidd 11 points 1 week ago

I'll pay $1400 for the machine gun. Let's do this.

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