My support for Palestine includes being extra nice to Jews in my country to prove there is no need for an Israel.
this post was submitted on 01 Jan 2025
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Israel's (over)reaction to the hostage crisis has been very harmful for the diaspora, and sometimes I think that's by design. Basically ensuring that Israel is the only "safe" place for Jews by encouraging anti-Semitism abroad.
They have done for years. Besieged fortresses syndrome.
Israel is weaponizing anti-semitism, so naturally feeding semitism is incentivized.
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Seriously. Bring them over to the US! We have plenty of room in states like Wyoming, which has enough space to fit 11 Israels but currently has only 1/16th of the population! And that's just one state.
Israel: 22,145 sqkm, 9.3 million people
Wyoming: 253,600 sqkm, 580,000 people
If they come to the US, they are most likely to settle in the NY/NJ area or Florida because these locations already have large (relatively speaking) Jewish populations and institutions.
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Let's all welcome these new arrivals and make them realise that the World doesn't hate them as long as they don't subscribe to the genocidal ideology of Zionism.
To be fair they were fine with the genocide that was happening before they picked up the pace
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This is going to be like Russia, the smart and sane ones leave only for the dumb people remaining to prop up an authoritarian regime.
less dumb and more financially incapable to leave.
Where is this Galt's Gulch where all the world's sane and intelligent have fled? Because they sure aren't in America, and most of Europe isn't looking too brilliant either!
The problem is that after fleeing to a new place, it's hard to rebuild back to what you could have been. Especially when that new place is also xenophobic/exclusionary.
Refugees need a generation or two of rebuilding and growing into the new community to reach their full potential.
Unfortunately, the world has become very insular and hostile to newcomers trying to build a better life. Even ivy league NY liberals will destroy you for having a mildly different background than them, let alone the Putins and Trumps and their supporters.
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So if people who support Israel's war immigrate to Israel and people who don't support it emigrate from Israel, we'd expect Israelis to get more violent while Jews outside of Israel to get less supportive of Israelis. This doesn't bode well for Israel long term. This would decrease the number of people who advocate for Israel's violence in the countries who provide weapons and political cover, all the while the violence gets worse.
Israel will be fine, as long as they keep spending a fraction of a percent of the US aid they receive to buy US media and politicians.
As long as people are voting for one of two genocidal parties that might be true. Although at some point it will be American soldiers doing the fighting and slaughtering, while the Israelis will watch and demand to get more money from the parents of the soldiers dying for them.
What you think happened in Iraq, Syria, Libya and the talk about attacking Iran?
The US military has been serving Israel at least since the 60s.
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I was gonna say this 82k isn't much, but then I realized that that's almost 1% of Israel's population. If that's all people who have problems with Israel's current state, then yeah they'll probably go even further off the deep end in the coming years. That said, Israeli society is already so insane that it doesn't matter much at this point. Very few people in Israel actually want the genocide to stop, so their absence shouldn't change much in the short term. In the long term it decreases the odds of Israel changing of its own accord, but I don't think anyone was counting on that anyway.
This would decrease the number of people who advocate for Israel's violence in the countries who provide weapons and political cover, all the while the violence gets worse.
I don't think Jews are a significant fraction of the people supporting Israel's genocide. I mean, they support it at below to above average rates depends on where you are and who you ask, but there aren't enough of them for their immigration to affect the big picture.
Basically what I want to say is that the "limit state", for lack of a better term, of zero anti-Zionist Jews in Israel and zero Zionist Jews abroad is very close to the current situation, so there's not much room for change in that direction. We can say that modern Israel is in that limit state. And that leads us to...
This doesn't bode well for Israel long term.
Exactly. Israel is kinda fucked when gen alpha and the generation after them grow up.
Yes that's what Gideon Levy said. The people leaving Israel are the cosmopolitan, liberals and not the ideologically committed. They are the ones who would accept a one state solution with equal rights.
Still it's good to see evidence that the Zionist colony is becoming toxic.
"becoming"?
I mean becoming toxic to Jews. Many in the West have a historic, sentimental fealty to the colony because of decades of Zionist propaganda and emotional brainwashing.
Good to see this toxic link being broken.
Where’s the argument for the new settlements in the West Bank when the population is declining?
Money for developers and grifters?
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no more need to keep taking land then?
Nah, there is never enough for oligarchs
I don't think the oligarch framework makes sense as a way to view Israeli society. Your average Israeli wants to keep stealing Palestinian land as a matter of principle, not because they stand to gain anything from it.
I do not blame any of them for leaving. I probably would too. But I think this will also have a negative effect since it will mean fewer people who are against the genocide working against it from within. I'm not sure anything can be done about that though. It's too bad only those wealthy enough with the means to leave and a place to go who object to what's going on can do so.
As long as they life and work there they pay taxes that fund settlements, bombs, the salaries of their murderous soldiers...
Israel is by constitution an ethnonationalist state. They being there and having the citizenship also still gives it legitimacy.
I understand that, but they also vote. They also can protest inside the country. They also can organize others to be with them. There is a trade-off here. Let's not pretend there will not be any negative effects.
They have been doing these things for decades in Israel and things have only gotten worse. I think the more people that continue to leave and the more that can be discouraged from ever going there the better. One thing (among many) all these people can and should be encouraged to do is to renounce thier Israeli citizenship.
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Internal opposition to the genocide in Israel is scant. Too scant, unfortunately.
And making it even more scant won't help. Which is all I am saying.
I don't know why, but I am getting pushback here from multiple people who seem to be suggesting there's no point in opposing this from within and I just can't believe people can both oppose Israel and be that defeatist.
At this point I feel like opposition to Israel's activities might be more effectively directed at the foreign governments that are enabling it. Israel's going to oppress the Palestinians no matter what, but perhaps if they had a less reliable supply of bombs they'd take greater care in doing so and wouldn't be so bellicose with their neighbors.
I suppose they still vote from abroad, although elections will only happen in 2 years or so. But brain drain does affect the economy so it is in itself a "vote".
I heard that around 43% of Israel's population were immigrants, and they were born after 1993.
Not heard, is documented and real .
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Good thing they have the option to leave the country, probably for somewhere better, unlike the Palestinians.
Well yeah, that other shoe is going to drop something fierce.
Gotta pump those numbers up.
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