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Luigi Mangione Charged With Murder as 'An Act of Terrorism' for Killing of Insurance CEO (www.commondreams.org)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 30 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

OK, actually this quite fits the definition of terrorism by the FBI:

Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

Personally I think that this definition sucks. If I steal an egg to make a statement against capitalism this might as well be considered terrorism. For reference I looked up the German definition of terrorism and I think that this definition is much better(translated with deeply since I'm lazy):

Terrorism is the sustained fight for political goals that are to be achieved with the help of attacks on the life, limb and property of other people, in particular through serious criminal offences such as those listed in Section 129a (1) of the German Criminal Code (StGB) or through other criminal offences that serve to prepare such offences.

The main difference is, that this definition only includes high level crimes and it also states that there has to be an active fight against some form of political system. I wouldn't be to sure if the murder of the UHC CEO would be considered terrorism under the German definition. The reason I'm not so sure is, because I wouldn't count one assassination an active prolonged fight(take this with a grain of salt, I'm not a lawyer or have any serious knowledge on the law).

Don't understand me wrong, I also think that calling this is bullshit, I just want to inform you, that this isn't anything they made out of thin air.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You know the difference between knowing and understanding something?

Well I feel like I just went from knowing to understanding that I live in a fascist state.

[–] feedum_sneedson 2 points 5 hours ago

you are ruled by enclaves of capital

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Their terrorist, our freedom fighter

[–] Cosmonauticus 2 points 5 hours ago

Hopefully ppl will realize the actual difference been the two

[–] werefreeatlast 21 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm also terrified by by insurance policy. Could someone do something about those terrorist?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Someone did, but just the one time.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 hours ago

Great. Can Americans now use that against police, or better yet, the government itself?

[–] cley_faye 69 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Well, look at that. We finally found what is needed to have a white "terrorist" instead of "someone with issues": just target ultra rich people.

[–] zarathustra0 4 points 5 hours ago

I think the difference in nomenclature may be down to how close the actions are to affecting real change.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The irony is that this was done to score propaganda points, but, and especially if Luigi keeps arguing the manifesto was fake and planted on him, this will make it harder for the charges to stick.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

How can you even prove it was planted. Its your word against the cops and well, we may know cops are lying but the court won't care.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

The way the law works in this country is they have to prove the evidence wasn't planted more than the Defense needs to prove it was.

Ken Penders insisting Archie's contract with him was forged was enough to win him publishing rights even with Ken's track record as a liar.

[–] Lemming6969 1 points 9 hours ago

That is in practice not how it works.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago

It's a disposable gun. Muad'dib wouldn't have carried it across state lines, he'd have dumped it. The cops found it, and planted it on Luigi.

[–] LordWiggle 17 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

At least he will get better healthcare in prison.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They're trying to end that, Republicans making the claim you can and should deny healthcare to prisoners

[–] LordWiggle 29 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

No more healthcare, work without pay, convicted for bullshit reasons, locked up in conditions which are crimes against humanity... Americans call it correctional facilities, to cover up they are actually slave labor camps. Just like they do not torture, they call it "enhanced interrogation". Even though it's the same technique as torture, it's ok now because it's named differently. Because slave labor camps are named "correctional institute" it's all good man!

[–] Vash63 2 points 7 hours ago

America has truly mattered doublespeak

[–] poo 40 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Huh, I guess a terrorist is a national hero. Hope others follow his fine work

[–] LordWiggle 10 points 13 hours ago

Coughs in Elon

[–] [email protected] 102 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

His lawyers should go for a defense of others defense. Millions of lives were in imminent danger. He had no choice but to act.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I simultaneously do and do not want to see the trolly problem diagram in that courtroom.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

well, unless it results in a mistrial we'll find out how everybody in that courtroom feels about the trolley problem.

[–] [email protected] 132 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If he can be charged as a terrorist, so should the ceo's that let people die for a profit

[–] [email protected] 112 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

If he can be charged as a terrorist, so can Rittenburg, the Jan 6th rioters, and school shooters

[–] [email protected] 14 points 20 hours ago

Hell yeah

[–] FlowVoid 19 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Ethan Crumbley was, in fact, charged with one count of "terrorism causing death". And he pleaded guilty.

[–] [email protected] 165 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

And now the words “terrorist” and “hero” have become synonymous, undoing decades of 9/11 imperialist propaganda in one fell swoop.

I mean I wish. But a man can dream.

[–] SpaceNoodle 100 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is who wins the war.

[–] CitizenKong 48 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The rebels in Star Wars are technically terrorists. Lucas even modeled them after the Vietkong. Same for the Fremen in Dune. In the book, Paul's holy war is called the Jihad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

In DS9, Kira Nerys refers to herself as a terrorist all the time.

[–] horse_battery_staple 55 points 23 hours ago

Or who owns the paper reporting it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago

FUCKING YES

[–] [email protected] 70 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

[–] AbidanYre 44 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Somehow I'm less scared of Luigi than of those assholes.

[–] EmpathicVagrant 23 points 17 hours ago

One is a coordinated group working in lockstep to collapse everything as a primary political party that’s not only in power but in charge of every part of government.

The other is a single guy who acted in the interest of average people by killing someone ‘valuable’

The year of Luigi was 11 years early.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

In addition, Mangione has been charged with a second count of murder in the second degree, "pertaining to the fact that the killing was intentional,"

The fuck kind of bullshit is that? They're just making up the legal system because rich guy hurt.

Also, just to keep things straight in case people don't know. He has a lawyer for the PA charges, and a separate lawyer for the NY charges.

[–] pretzelz 9 points 12 hours ago

In NY state, murder of the first degree is reserved for murder against a police officer or something related. So not an average civilian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_New_York_law?wprov=sfla1

[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Second degree? They don't have enough to lay first degree murder?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

murder in first degree and murder in the second degree. Two murder charges for one "murder."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know enough about NY state law, but I do know that there are states where a jury has an option between finding guilty on a greater or lesser charge. Maybe that's what's going on?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, the first degree one is probably a long shot, where they hope to set a precedent where shooting a high profile CEO / politician is now terrorism, which means they can use all the terrorist laws to surveil activists and anyone who disagrees with the current system (I mean, they already do that, but they want to expand the legal basis for it where they can).

They also tried to use terrorism laws on the activists trying to stop cop city in Atlanta. The thing people warned about when the PATRIOT Act passed is slowly happening. They start with a law to stop terrorists and pedophiles, and slowly they expand the use of it until it applies to everyone.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago

The definition of "terrorism" is more specific under NY law than federal. The specific definition related to a first degree murder charge is:

(b) for purposes of subparagraph (xiii) of paragraph (a) of subdivision one of section 125.27 of this chapter means activities that involve a violent act or acts dangerous to human life that are in violation of the criminal laws of this state and are intended to:

(i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) influence the policy of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion; or

(iii) affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping.

It seems extremely unlikely they'd be able to get any of these to stick, and none of the other cases under which someone may be convicted of first degree murder apply here, hands down. This is why the second degree murder charge, because first degree murder is almost certain to be unsuccessful for the prosecution.

[–] ThePantser 74 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Justice is swift when it's money on the line.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago

In totally unrelated threat to billionaire news:

The OpenAI whistleblowers death has been ruled a suicide.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 22 hours ago

Justice is swift when it’s ~~money~~ ruling authority on the line.

FTFY

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe 31 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

We are all terrorists on this blessed day.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Speak for yourself.

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