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[–] Sanctus 128 points 1 month ago (1 children)

On Monday, 26-year-old Daniel Penny was acquitted after killing Jordan Neely, a desperate Black homeless man on the subway...

Tale as old as time.

[–] theangryseal 35 points 1 month ago (9 children)

“…on the grounds that he was trying to protect others.”

I think that’s a pretty fucking important line right there.

[–] NatakuNox 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think the point is, the system pushed one man to his breaking point simply for being poor, black, and mentally ill; resulting in his eventual strangulation on a subway. Not saying the the situation didn't require intervention but acting as if the whole thing was "unavoidable" or even "justified" gladiator giving all the context is Pretty Fucking Important

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It wasn't unavoidable but also it was his aggressive behaviour towards others that directly lead to him being subdued. I'm not sure the situation would've been different with a white guy acting aggressive towards fellow passengers, especially a mother and her child.

[–] NatakuNox 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The point is neither situation should ever happen in a system that puts humanity over profits. A mentally ill, homeless, and starving person should exist in our society because we have the means to house, feed, and provide Healthcare for everyone. (we just don't have the morality)

Also, the strangle hold was applied for 5 min. I'm no expert but when someone goes limp from blood flow being blocked, you usually don't need to continue choking them for an additional 4 min.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Imagine if the defense pulls that line in court. My client gun down this man to save lives your honor!

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I've seen people comparing the DOJ response to Luigi Mangioni and Kyle Shittenhouse. The fact that Rittenhouse is free should tell you everything you need to know.

[–] captainlezbian 15 points 1 month ago (49 children)

Well the difference is that while both actively premeditated their murders whoever committed the crimes Mangioni has been accused of is far more of a menace because they had a specific target in mind and even worse it was someone rich instead of just anyone protesting the police tendency to murder.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (24 children)

Rittenhouse attacked 3 people, that's 3x the danger. But I guess I forgot to count up their net worths.

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[–] MojoMcJojo 61 points 1 month ago

A stark reminder of who the justice system works for. They are there to protect the rich elites.

[–] FlashMobOfOne 51 points 1 month ago

Yup. The irony wasn't lost on us either.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Our society ties worth to wealth.

To a capitalist, If you're homeless, you have less moral value than someone who exploited millions of people's need for healthcare for his own gain.

And there are a lot of capitalists.

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[–] Snapz 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"Sen. John Fetterman is one of those who has loudly insisted that the “public execution of an innocent man and father of two is indefensible.” We are expected to ignore the fact that for 14 months straight before Thompson’s killing, Israeli forces have publicly executed thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Gaza with the enthusiastic support of US politicians like Fetterman."

Normally I'm not one to dig into these things, but I seriously think fetterman died and the dude we hear from now is a stand in. Just such a 180... I remember when he was first gaining national prominence, had some interview in front of a Wawa off the freeway - when I saw THAT guy, I donated to his campaign and called my wife in to say, "listen to this for a second, I think this guy could be the president one day". That guy has ZERO DNA in common with the "Fetterman" we see and hear from today. It wasn't a stroke, or if it was, it was fatal.

[–] Pazu900 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm think it's from the stroke. They can cause a huge personality shift

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[–] feedum_sneedson 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think these are comparable.

[–] raspberriesareyummy 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think that's the point of the article.

[–] werefreeatlast 13 points 1 month ago

You both make good points so I up voted.

[–] kava 14 points 1 month ago

I think there are two primary reasons for the difference in treatment of these two killings

  1. The killing of the CEO was meant to be a message to the country. It's a different scale. Because something like this is such a spectacle, it gets national attention and the local and federal authorities are forced to deal with it quickly- otherwise they lose face.

  2. Ultimately the power structure cannot tolerate these types of rebellions. It's like a slave talking back to the master. You allow it once and you open the door for it to happen again. You have to try and shut it down as quickly as possible.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Matt Stone killed a homeless man?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (39 children)

This is not a juxtaposition at all. Terrible ethics aside, the CEO operated more or less totally in compliance with USA law. Being a fucking scumbag is not illegal -- indeed, our country sadly runs on this principle.

The fellow in the subway was acting to a DIRECT threat, and it's pretty easy to draw a line from that guy flipping out to someone being threatened/hurt/killed in the subway. He was already culpable of disorderly conduct or worse, and it's pretty clear that it wasn't Penny's intent to fatally injure him.

The juxtaposition some people feel is because the CEO is acting against their moral framework, but he's operating in a legal framework. This is why our country is fucking sick, but it is is what it is at this point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

but he's operating in a legal framework.

That defence is flimsy AF .

The US did a whole thing in Germany saying following the law was a bullshit excuse , they've literally set the precedent for assholes following the law being killed when they're guilty of mass murder.

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[–] pyre 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

but killing rich people is illegal!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I don't understand who is the guy on the right?

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