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Trump Vows to End Birthright Citizenship and Pardon Jan. 6 Rioters in NBC Interview
(www.nytimes.com)
Why is Trump pardoning Antifa FBI crisis actors??
this post was submitted on 09 Dec 2024
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Because he's really Joe Biden in disguise
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Supreme Court will decide that the term "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in the 14th amendment actually means they weren't born here if their parents aren't citizens. They don't have to repeal amendments when they can just make shit up.
An 1898 case already decided that children born to permanent residents who are not on a diplomatic mission, are US Citizens.
If they overturn a 1898 decision, we're gonna be in some real trouble.
The most likely scenario I see is they will decide that birthright citizenship doesn't apply to children of unauthorized immigrants, since the supreme court never ruled on it.
The Roberts court has shown that they don't care about stare decisis, precedents, or facts (ex. the photographer who had no legitimate standing on account of not actually receiving requests from a same-sex couple and having fabricated one instead). I wouldn't hold my breath on that case not being overturned.
True, I'm just being optimistic.
But counterpoint: There was a court case in 1896 (Plessy v. Ferguson) that said racial segregation was legal. This is the same court 2 years later also upholding birthright citizenship.
I don't think the current court has a mindset that's even older than a 1896 supreme court mindset.
That said, republicans could always pack more judges with an even older pre- civil war mindset, that is much worse than the 1896 court. Only time will tell.
Alito cited a 17th century jurist in his justification for overturning Roe v. Wade. That's 1600s, a century before the US was founded and not relevant to extant law.
Yikes.
Welp, back to slavery 🤷♂️
What about authorized migrants on visa? My sister was born in the US the years after my parents moved there on work visa.
Unfortunately, that court rulling never mentioned those, but I'm gonna be optimistic and assume the courts intent was that children of people who legally entered the country have birthright citizenship (assuming the parent's visas haven't expired at the time of the birth). But there's no way to know for sure. We'll have to wait and see exactly how conservative this court gets.
The court ruled that:
a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth
Basically, the only points of contention that I know of were:
- whether or not a child of a foreign national has birthright citizenship - which was answered in this court ruling
and more recently, the concept of an "illegal alien" as appeared so now the debate is on:
- whether or not a child of a person who entered illegally has birthright citizenship - which was not answered in this court ruling
Since neither of these points of contention differentiates between permanent resident and other forms of legal entry, I'm gonna be optimistic and say that your sister will have birthright citizenship.
And even if they do end birthright citizenship, it might not be retroactive, since that paperwork is just gonna be insane, we can't track the parents of every child born in the us, so it might just be applied from now on.
Hopefully my assumption will be correct. Time will tell.
Thanks!
Actually I'm sure it's even easier for them:
"It says no STATE and since this is coming from the federal government it isn't a state so it's totally cool!"
If they're not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" they can't be held accountable for any crimes.
So uh... Congrats immigrants on being just as free as Donald Trump I guess?
Wait....
Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. I thought they did nothing wrong and it was peaceful.
Nixon never admitted guilt...
I hope you fuckers are all ready to report any Trumpanzee voter with foreign roots when it comes to this.
He said that stuff because he’s a shithead with no respect for this country, and anyone who says differently is a liar. You should cut people like that out of your life if you can.
Ignoring them and making it so the only people trump voters talk to is other trump voters won't help anything at all.
It's not your responsibility, so don't feel like you have to personally...
But for fucks sake can people stop trying to convince everyone else not to try?
The smug Hillary shit didn't work when she did it. Biden got elected despite that attitude because Trump was in office, and it didn't work for Kamala either.
It's a shit strategy that's only effective in getting us shit presidents.
So go somewhere and really check out if that's your choice, but what in the hell do you think it will accomplish spending your time telling people not to try?
What logic have you gone thru that you think this is productive?
Ignoring them and making it so the only people trump voters talk to is other trump voters won't help anything at all.
I spent the last 8 years or so trying to reprogram the human formerly known as my father. To reinforce that he was in the wrong my mother moved out after Jan 6th. I have not spoken with him since the day after Election Day and he was celebrating the win listening to the Woodie Guthrie anti-fascist protest music I had recently gotten him for his birthday.
If someone gets their head cut off, triage likely won't help anything...
That doesn't mean if someone cuts their hand cut off, you shrug and say they're as good as dead already.
Things are rarely binary, so saying a specific person is unsavable never means give up on every patient.
A big part of triage is evaluating if you can save a specific person, or if they're gone and helping someone else would be more beneficial overall.
You can win elections without converting Republicans. It's just as true for the prototypical "economically anxious" white working class dudes that leftists chase as it is for the "principled" Republicans the centrists are infatuated with.
Build a party by growing it among the apolitical and juicing turnout among your unlikely voters, not figuring out which vulnerable groups should be thrown under the bus for people who are ideologically aligned with your opponents. Build something there and maybe some of those oh so important Republican voters will come around, but it's time for people to wake up and stop pretending Republican voters are the key to winning elections.
So all babies born in America are going to have to immigrate to America to be considered citizens?
That's a pretty good way to solve any budget shortfalls the government may be dealing with.
Unamerican trash. Birthright citizenship is America as apple pie and donvict wants to do away with it, while pardoning actual terrorists.
You know you did something wrong when you are planning to pardon the people who attacked the capital.