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President Biden's hypocrisy on full display: Pardons his own son after making a point about 'independent' justice"

In a move that's being hailed as a "full and unconditional" pardon, President Joe Biden has announced that he's granting his son Hunter Biden a free pass for all federal charges related to his time between 2014-2024. Just 50 days before leaving office, Biden had previously declared that he wouldn't be making the move, stating he'd abide by the jury's decision. But now, it seems he was just playing a different tune.

TL;DR

President Biden pardoned his son Hunter Biden, who was facing up to 25 years in prison for lying on a federal form about his drug addiction. This comes after months of saying he wouldn't make the move, and is being met with criticism from politicians and others who called him out on his earlier stance. A case of "my family is more important than I am" - how about keeping your promises for once?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 minutes ago

Despite what Biden may try and spin this as, this is not just about the (aggressively politicized and pursued) 4473 ‘unlawful user’ perjury charge - otherwise why include the years prior to that act?

President Joe Biden’s son is charged with lying about his drug use in October 2018 on a form to buy a gun that he kept for about 11 days in Delaware

Because Biden pardoned him from 2014 to present, it also includes the known tax evasion and FARA illicit lobbying concerns.

The Justice Department on Tuesday [June 18th 2023] said the investigation into Hunter Biden was “ongoing” even as it announced terms of a plea agreement [for gun and tax charges]

DoJ felt that there was more to investigate even if the tax and gun charges were covered in a plea deal. Read: there’s something there regarding Hunter’s lobbying efforts - and from internal Burisma emails he knew about the law and FARA concerns.

In the same April 2014 email, Hunter Biden indicated that Burisma’s officials “need to know in no uncertain terms that we will not and cannot intervene directly with domestic policymakers, and that we need to abide by FARA and any other U.S. laws in the strictest sense across the board.”

Biden is right that most 4473 charges would never get this far - what he’s cynically not pointing out (from the bully pulpit, lame duck or not) is the context of why prosecutors drop gun charges in plea deals or pursue maximal charges at trial, or the wider criminal case against his son.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 42 minutes ago

So glad Biden is so concerned about following the law that protecting vulnerable people with his newly granted immunity is something he would never consider doing.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine 1 points 32 minutes ago

Sure wish anyfuckingbody with power cared about helping THE ACTUAL COUNTRY WHILE THERE'S STILL TIME

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago

Oh right, Republicans went after his family and he still picked Garland as his AG.

[–] MaxPow3r11 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

It would have been nice if he could have used his presidential powers

to prevent the genocide...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 54 seconds ago

Or anything he promised to do while in office

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

Or to change that stupid ATF form 4473 which basically requires anyone who smokes weed to either commit a felony by lying (checking the box for they don't use illegal drugs) or tell the truth (checking the box that they do) and being unable to purchase a firearm. Unfortunately the war on law abiding gun owners had to continue so on a few occasions their position continued to be that marijuana users should not be allowed to buy or own firearms.

Hypocrisy+++++

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 hours ago

Nice. Hopefully Biden keeps doing more good shit in his remaining few weeks while the MAGAt snowflakes are triggered and distracted by Hunter's dick again.

[–] Dragomus 18 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Biden knows they will come after himself but he's too old so they will slam the hammer on his son with the maximum force they can get out of it, this is a good way to thwart that political attack.

Also, someone should remind Trump that he handled firearms after he was convicted of a felony and was not prosecuted for that ...

Though I don't think the importance of that fact will dawn on Trump, he never felt rules applied to him.

[–] psycho_driver 8 points 4 hours ago

Old rich guy who has never had to face consequences for any action coming to a realization? Sure.

[–] Ghostalmedia 64 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If the republicans don’t like this, the democrats will happily support a supermajority legislature vote that starts limiting executive power.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago

....in 5, 4, 3, what? who cancelled the countdown? /s

[–] PixelatedSaturn 90 points 10 hours ago (10 children)

Good decision. Trump and his gang promised all kinds of revenge. They don't play by the rules. So it makes sense to do whatever for your last son.

[–] phoneymouse 39 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed. If Hunter Biden’s issues hadn’t been politically weaponized so much, I doubt Biden would have done it, but the truth is, with Trump coming in to office and threatening retaliation, it makes sense to pardon him.

[–] Boddhisatva 8 points 2 hours ago

The crimes Hunter was charged with are rarely enforced and rarely involve jail time. The Republican's made this a political circus that would have certainly had Hunter doing time. If it wasn't for that, Joe would not have needed to pardon him.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

I think the issue a lot of us have with this is less that he's stooping to Trump's level, and more that he's only doing it to help his own family. Abusing the office of the president is apparently fine and good if its done on behalf of someone who's name is Biden, but the rest of the planet can get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

I mostly agree. This is abuse of Presidential power so it is hypocritical for liberals to deny that... But, at the same time, if I were in Biden's situation I would likely do the same. And here is why:

  1. It is his son. His last son. Of course any loving father will do whatever they can to protect their son.

  2. Why should Democrats care what Republicans think? Democrats are getting curb stomped by fascists who give zero shit about the integrity of our institutions or abuse of political power. They truly don't. People voted for a pedophile felon traitorous oligarch. If you agree to an honorable sparring match of fisty-cuffs and your opponent pulls out a glock and shoots you in the knees and the crowd cheers for the cheater, do you have any moral or pragmatic reason to keep playing by the rules? No.

[–] InputZero 11 points 4 hours ago

Is he though? Isn't one of the purposes of presidential pardons to protect a person from unjust political persecution. If Republicans weren't Trump's party I would agree it's nepotism, but it is Trump's party who will be in power. Trump has vowed to seek revenge on his opponents. Joe Biden is too old to really be punished as much as the Republicans want him to be, but Hunter Biden has many years left. MAGA Republicans could punish him for their hate of his father for at least four years, if not the rest of his life. Isn't that one of the purposes of a presidential pardon?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

I mean… there’s another read on this whole thing, too: “huh, I guess everyone voted for nepotism and insider deals, so why the fuck not, especially in this context?”

Biden’s just giving the electorate a preview of what they voted for.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

ITT: people who ignored the persecution Hunter has faced and are judging this on only an extremely shallow level

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

didn't we, i of course mean the people who showed up, vote for this very kind of behaviour in the last presidential election? what's sauce for the goose...

[–] NocturnalMorning 47 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think he's concerned Trumps DOJ is going to come after them. Still super shady. But that'd be my guess as to why he did it, beyond the whole, he's my kid thing.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Should be illegal to pardon family members honestly. If there was ever an easy example of a conflict of interest, this is one.

[–] Boddhisatva 4 points 2 hours ago

So what? Maybe it should be but it isn't. The Constitution places virtually no limitation on the Presidents ability to offer clemency and no one in the last 250 years or so has seen fit to amend the constitution to change that despite the fact that the Republicans have been abusing the power of the pardon since at least the Reagan years. Now you are complaining because a Democratic President has used it *appropriately *to pardon someone who was convicted in a politically motivated circus?

[–] [email protected] 68 points 11 hours ago (9 children)

You mean like Ivanka's father-in-law who Trump pardoned and named ambassador to France?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago
[–] Omegamanthethird 36 points 10 hours ago

For Biden, it was the most difficult decision of his presidency. For Trump, it was Tuesday.

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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 24 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not an American, and as such I don't think it's my thing to speak on so do not take this as an instructive comment, but I will reflect on it anyway. I believe that this was, on balance, a bad decision even if I understand it and can find good, honest reasons for Biden to do it. In the end, the POTUS has this power and is free to use it as the president wishes. I hope it will lead to something positive.

The fact that Trump has said that he might pardon Hunter and now is complaining about the fact that Biden did it himself shows once again how everything said by Donald is a convenient temporary truth. Even if this puts the light on Biden also being problematic with this behavior.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's a poison pill for pardons. Either they are essentially absolute and irreversible, or they aren't and all of the ones Trump made and will make are up for debate. He can grumble all he wants but for Trump to call this pardon "such an abuse and miscarriage of justice" is absolutely laughable given the decade of insanity and illegal stuff coming out of his orange anus. The toilet photo of all the documents should have been enough to jail this man for life in a black site but I guess justice is a miscarriage after all.

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