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[–] kokesh 57 points 2 months ago (5 children)

When you think about the Cristian lore... It is a pile of insane bullsh..t

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Indeed! Also, this is the internet. You're allowed to say bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No! That's $10 fine! Send me a private message and I'll give you the address to send the iTunes gift card serial number to pay the fine(yes internet fines are only payable in iTunes gift cards)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's basically a zombie death cult. This powerful necromancer has to die to become a lich, releasing his soul into a phylactery which happens to be the souls of his believers (and making it really hard to destroy his phylactery). Then his believers are promised that they will come back as undead, as a reward for carrying a part of this "holy ghost" phylactery. What a racket.

[–] kokesh 8 points 2 months ago

This should be on Wikipedia as description of Christianity

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

i mean it's mostly all metaphor and allegory, meant to teach you lessons rather than to act as a historical document.

it's like a book of fables for people who think animals are silly

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The four gospels read as eyewitness accounts and reports of a real person, not as fables and allegories.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"read as" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Most scholars say they were written well after the fact (decades to generations after), after a bunch of oral tradition related changes crept in. Plus, they were sort of down selected from a much larger corpus.

So this is just a narrative technique rather than an actual eyewitness account.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

By "well after the fact", it's still within the lifetime of eyewitnesses. Contrasted with other historical records, it's pretty good. Like Alexander the Great being written about 800 years after the fact, or some details about Julius Caesar being written down 200 years after the fact which nobody disputes. For something we can archaeologically prove which also happened at the time - the pompeii disaster - there is one record 30 years later. Despite it being an event witnessed by hundreds of thousands and likely having influential romans among it's victims. You're really overestimating the frequency of writings and documentation from the first century. In which the New Testament is abnormal in that it has a high frequency. So something that clearly was a big deal did happen. The traditions as well carried across societies, so must have been rooted in fact. As for the larger corpus - those were the centuries later forgeries that were removed for that reason - because they were much later and not seen as reliable. Some of them were attributed to more important figures also, like Thomas. So the early Church clearly cared about accuracy.

[–] Viking_Hippie 5 points 2 months ago

Most scholars say they were written well after the fact (decades to generations after), after a bunch of oral tradition related changes crept in

Almost like it's all a bunch of bullshit invented to control the masses 🤔

[–] Viking_Hippie 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

meant to teach you lessons

The foremost lesson being "obey authority figures or else"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

"Treat women and children like property. Always blame victims. Take slaves from neighboring countries, never your own."

Lots of great lessons in that holiest of books.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Second is "don't question them"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

personally i am a fan of "keep your religion to yourself", "don't use the veil of the church as a means to make money", "help those that others cast out, like sex workers", "don't engage in stereotype", and "rich people go to hell".

[–] Viking_Hippie 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah. Funny how the most influential Christians all tend to forget those 🤔

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But only mostly!

Catholicism truly believes you are eating Jesus's body and drinking his blood at mass.

But it's not cannibalism because the bread and wine still keep all their properties after turning into Jesus 🤓

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/are-catholics-cannibals

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

it's not cannibalism because the bread and wine still keep all their properties after turning into Jesus 🤓

You could make a perfectly cromulent meringue out of human blood, and it'd have all the properties of a meringue made out of eggs (no, seriously, blood is effectively a one to one culinary equivalent of eggs, except for the taste and allergens)... but it'd still be made out of human blood. 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

It's this kind of mental gymnastics that killed church for me. Jesus had a pretty decent moral framework set up, but people mangled into a bunch of hocus pocus.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A part of my family is extremely religious, and borderline fundamentalist. After a while I've been able accept the fact that some people want to know how the world works, and some want to believe.

I know that my death won't be much different than if our dog dies. My consciousness will cease to exist, and I'll either get burnt or decompose. Many people are filled with existential dread and look to religion to comfort them. And that's cool for them.

And then their things beyond your understanding, that you fill with little stories. Sickness isn't something that can be prevented by a shot, it's a punishment. Not getting kids? A punishment. Pork? Haram because Allah said so, not because refrigeration didn't exist. Whatever makes you happy!

The problem I got is that these people are easily lied to and manipulated by authority. The religious right are so easily played by Trump it's embarrassing as a human being.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I wish more of them would live like this: "Pray as though everything depended on God. Work as though everything depended on you." - Saint Augustine

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

jesus was a bottom. did you think he was topping 12 dudes a night?

[–] Ifera 14 points 2 months ago

Take this cream-filled donut, for it is my...

[–] hark 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That was one of the miracles he performed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

are you telling me he was so good at fucking that they started a religion after him

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Got a whore to straight up start worshiping him.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

I wanted a supper, not a snack!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago