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Summary

Journalists are increasingly abandoning X (formerly Twitter) for Bluesky, citing higher engagement and less toxicity. Since Elon Musk’s takeover of X, changes like deprioritizing external links and rising hate speech have alienated many, especially marginalized groups.

Bluesky, founded by Jack Dorsey, offers a more welcoming environment, especially for journalists and activists, with 20x the engagement in some cases.

Reporters note better traffic, reduced harassment, and a focus on diverse stories.

Organizations like The Guardian and fundraising groups also report greater success on Bluesky compared to X.

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[–] b3an 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Shardikprime 7 points 1 day ago

Omg blue sky is a yeast infection LMAO 🤣

[–] RagingSnarkasm 85 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"There's no chance this leopard will eat my face."

--Migrating Journalists, probably

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

More like

everyone else is, and I need to keep my job as a... you know, journalist

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Well, it's not like it's the exact same dude who sold the old platform to fascists last time, right?

[–] Ghostalmedia 66 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Bluesky is a registered public benefit company and Dorsey is no longer with the company and no longer on the board.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Open AI changed to a for profit company in a heartbeat and these folks can too.

More worrying is who owns them and their funding sources.

[–] ripcord 4 points 1 day ago

These people are why I'm barely here anymore and more on...Bluesky. And I like the format here way.more.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Phew .... then we can trust the open software that is locked to one company and one instance essentially leaving control to a handful of people.

What could go wrong?

[–] Ghostalmedia 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m not saying open software isn’t awesome. I’m simply correcting a common misconception.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree, there is nothing wrong with Open Software .... the problem is the way Bluesky is being arranged and developed. They are essentially cornering the development to create a situation where only one company and one group maintains dominate control over everything and everyone.

The track record so far since the popular world wide internet started is that if a popular social media platform is controlled by one group, one company or even one person, it will eventually turn into a tool of monetization and control and it will eventually degrade and dissolve.

The only difference this time is Bluesky is supposedly built on open source software, which is true .... but the whole platform and system is corned, controlled and managed by only one company and one group.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

They're actively working on making it easier to fork the entire platform.

There's already 3rd party account hosts, moderation labelers, feed generators, and alternative implementations like whitewind (blogging system on top of the same account repo & lexicon architecture) were you can use the exact same account. All of these works together independently of which hosts / providers you use.

Relays and microblogging appviews (a fully functional bluesky mirror) are technically possible but more expensive to duplicate but there's work on making that practical too.

You can already bypass PLC by using DID:Web for account identity.

The single most important thing if you want to be able to recover from bluesky going bad is to just back up your account recover signing key, and to keep a recent backup of the repo to preserve your post history and social network (follows, etc).

All the rest can be rebuilt if you have your account hey and backup. The content addressing will make it seamless!

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[–] cybervseas 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"He's said he's sorry, and he's not going to do it again. You'll see. He's changed."

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This time he bailed early though. He's got no control of the site

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (7 children)

No the site just owes a bunch of money to the crypto bros at Blockchain Capital.

Doesn't matter if Dorsey isn't there and if it's a PBC, if the investors want a return on their investment (and they do) enshittification is coming.

[–] phoneymouse 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think Mastodon needs to adopt a flying animal as its logo and make its theme blue and white

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Best not to prod the mouse.

Introducing "Masto! The flying elephant! A legally distinctive flying elephant than Dumbo!"

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[–] Sho 3 points 1 day ago
[–] CharlesDarwin 10 points 1 day ago

News orgs would have set up their own Mastodon instances ages ago and moved there if they were even 10% as "liberal" as the wingers claim they are...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Good, but Mastodon has been a great option for a long time...

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] bassomitron 26 points 1 day ago

Yes, but it's 1000x worse now.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Im kinda pissed about this ngl. The enshitification of twitter was supposed to drive mastodon not another corporatised shithole.

[–] ExcursionInversion 76 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Wont happen until mastodon makes on boarding easy enough for the tech illiterate.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And the name doesn't help.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah that generally seems to be an issue with a lot of foss projects.

[–] Carrolade 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's not that surprising. Developing software requires a certain skillset, heavily based in logic. Understanding people requires a completely different skillset, and people tend to be more emotional than logical. Our brains just draw connections between different concepts that are, at their core, fundamentally illogical. A big business has the benefit of a marketing department, staffed by specialists who earn their paycheck by studying and manipulating people. Your average FOSS project doesn't have that advantage.

If you wanted some of that same advantage, you'd want to onboard some talented humanities or marketing specialist and give them the branding responsibilities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Developing software requires a certain skillset, heavily based in logic. Understanding people requires a completely different skillset

Before Zuck dropped out of college to do Facebook instead, he was double majoring in computer science and psychology.

Fuck the Zuck, but that's the kind of person who can make a successful social media website. Someone who knows how both computers and people think.

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[–] Docus 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mastodon needs a lot of work before it becomes a mainstream option. They missed a big opportunity when twitter became toxic, and now they can’t compete against bluesky. Hope i’m wrong but i think they are doomed.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That is a major issue the fediverse needs to fix.

We need a single federated account that works across all platforms that iant tied to a single server even if said server goes down that preferably allows for your private key to be held by u. Ideally get this to work with the new passkey standard supported by google, apple, microsoft etc.

Then. We need to make a website that is like 3 simple steps.

Step 0: Option a) sign up with email Option b) sign up with username

Step 1: Select or search for 3 categories ur interested in

Step 2: Show me nsfw yes/no default no Show me extreme opinions yes/no default no (need to rework what word to use instead of "extreme") Show me bot accounts yes/no default yes

Step 2.5: automaticly send said user off to an instance that is the following:

  1. Respects their email/username sign up choice
  2. Related to their interests
  3. Respects their nsfw choice
  4. Is defederated from extreme instances for dont show me extreme opinions hexbear lemmy.ml etc 4.Respects the load any individual instance can handle that the instance admin can configure.

Step 3: user signs up to the instance they have been directed to

Step 4: reccommend people/communities etc fir them to follow/subscribe to. Reccommend blockliats for specific subjects, racist, tankie, asshole, nazi, etc.

Done!

Their already exists a standard for accounts just that its not yet been implemented into most services yet. Mastodon already has blocklists (although poorly managed and implemented). It wouldnt be too hard to make this website i could probably do it myself ngl.

Should probably also drop this vid into the proccess somewhere as a quick explainer.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems like Bluesky kind of did all of this with ATProto but they’re just met with constant criticisms

It’s like everyone agrees mastodon isn’t the “right” special concoction but any attempt ever made to do something different or better and people shoot it down because it’s “not open like mastodon”

[–] ripcord 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Met with constant criticisms...here. Because people seem to care about feelings more than facts or results.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I think it comes down to people not liking that Bluesky is controlled by a board. But that's what's needed for mass adoption: a group of people to be accountable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That's what bluesky's DID based account identity does. Unless you make that key the sole authority (no key rotation, like nostr) then you need a registry as authority (like bluesky's PLC registry)

Bluesky specifically lets the account hosting server handle your auth, the directory points to where your account server is as in when you enter your handle, every 3rd party service and federated peer can do OAuth seamlessly to your account host. Then you can log into every compatible site with your handle, instead of having to get redirected "home" before you can interact. Your account server's repository keeps records of all your posts and your social network, and you can even migrate seamlessly across hosts.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Never going to happen. You're in the company of the people who have been saying "year of the Linux desktop!" for three decades or more.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We used to be <1% we are now up to about 4%. We are on the slow lead in to the exponential curve.

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[–] Ghostalmedia 11 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Sure, but instances / servers confuse most average users. We see this every single time there is a new big migration wave. People don’t get it, then bail.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This sort of thing will keep happening unless the FOSS world learns to treat designers as equals. Mastodon is significantly harder to get going. Simple things like on-boarding and starter packs make BlueSky a better experience.

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[–] Buffalox 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yoo not call mii toxic, i hav big brian.

Reguards Elon Mush.

[–] mutant_zz 6 points 1 day ago

You ----------------> Horse

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