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[–] teft 102 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Well maybe they should get rid of that memo that says they can't prosecute sitting presidents. That'd be a start at least.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That sounds reasonable, yet here we are with criminal cases -- proceedings necessary to carry out the law -- being put on hold due to said memos.

[–] frunch 9 points 5 days ago

It's funny, i always think of the "memos" as post-it notes

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If the tables were turned the GOP would've fast tracked the trial and sentencing to put Biden or whoever in jail immediately and then let the courts decide if he gets out by default on inauguration day. Think like an asshole! Fight dirty!

[–] Feathercrown 5 points 5 days ago

It wouldn't ecen be fighting dirty! Just do your jobs!

[–] clutchtwopointzero 64 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, the insiders of the DOJ think presidents are above the law, so this is the consequence

[–] gibmiser 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The DOJ has over 110,000 employees. It only takes a handful at the top to stop the honest everyday workers from doing honest work.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Somehow I think thousands of employees could literally strongarm the individuals pushing corruption and holding them back.

Like, when did we forget that there's power in numbers?

So because your boss says some dumb fucking thing, but a thousand people on your team disagree with it and think it's idiotic... but y'all are gonna buckle down and do whatever dumb shit your boss said anyway?

Because he can fire every single one of you and replace you overnight? In a specialized government job? As if.

This could be solved overnight if ANYONE in the DOJ had some fucking balls.

"But this one guy at the top whose only power is the name of the position and in reality he's just some schlub in a suit like the rest of us but he's promoting some really damaging ideas for our institution as a whole... Maybe if we care about our institution we should kick his ass to the curb."

No, Americans are fucking cowed and more than willing to just roll over and do whatever some schlub with no real power other than being their boss tells them.

That's why we're sleepwalking into fascism. Because everyone in a position to stop it is a giant fucking pussy who accepts zero risk to their own personal lives to keep fascism at bay. They're far more worried about themselves than they are about the future of the country as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 days ago

I really hate how the people in charge of the systems by which a corrupt leader is kept in check are biting their nails over what precedent they might set by actually punishing a president who in all likelihood has sold out American agents to foreign actors, and definitely has staged a coup and been found guilty of at least 34 other fucking things.

What precedent are you worried about setting? The right God damn example?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I don't believe that for a second. They had so many people that they could have prosecuted quickly and they didn't want to. They knew exactly what they were doing and they knew the risks of delaying attempts to find justice.

But if they actually feel demoralized now, this is something that they caused, and they should apologize to the general public for f****** it all up.

[–] Sterile_Technique 42 points 5 days ago (1 children)

...so the years of absolute inactivity leading up to now was the result of a moralized DOJ?

Gee, I sure hope this doesn't effect their work ethic!

[–] horse_battery_staple 9 points 5 days ago

It will, they'll get to work harassing activists and whistle blowers. Laying the ground work to dismantle beneficial systems in place and most of all begin indicting those that oppose the regime.

Vote local for people to protect your rights locally. The federal government will no longer feign to benefit the working class.

[–] Theprogressivist 44 points 6 days ago

Oh, that's just dandy to hear. I'm guessing they are so demoralized that they aren't going to do anything about it.

[–] Chainweasel 26 points 6 days ago

Well good thing the DOJ spent years dragging their feet instead of actually doing anything about it.

[–] Allonzee 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What is Trump's brand again? Remember his game show's theme song? Something about being a proudly greedy fuck? The same thing Americans have been indoctrinated worship and aspire to since the Reagan Revolution?

Thank the bipartisan worship of market capitalism and greed for Trump, for the rejection of academia, for the ruins of public education, the end of regulation(like antitrust) and law enforcement as it stifles profitability, for the end of the habitability of the planet... on and on.

And we're still unwilling to reject economic growth/metastasis and working against one another to get moar as our only pursued national goals, even here, at the fucking end. Pathetic.

I wouldn't vote for him with a gun to my head, but let's not kid ourselves, Donald Trump is about as representative of this shithole as it gets. He's like the United States as a country took human form, a fat, proudly ignorant, proudly greedy, ego score obsessed bully in an ill fitting suit who would sell his own children for the right price. He's more American as it is than apple pie ever was, and at least as American as our national pastime of school shootings. 🇺🇸

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

Does it matter? They're all going to be replaced with personal attack dogs anyway.

Lindsay Graham can fuck right off with his projection lying-ass bullshit "the people are sick of lawfare, we're done with that now that Democrats are out."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's gotten to them that there is no justice, even in the Department of Justice.

If they're screwed anyway, they'd have little to lose mounting a last ditch prosecution?

[–] CharlesDarwin 9 points 5 days ago

Yeah, because justice under donvict is not going to be a thing...the guy should be rotting in prison.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It makes sense for those relatively powerless employees who devoted themselves to the non-doublespeak mandates of these organizations to be "demoralized."

Come January 20th it's going to be the Department of Justice which concerns itself with injustice against political enemies, the Department of Health which concerns itself with unhealthy pseudoscience, we'll have a director of national intelligence which concerns themself with undermining US intelligence, and so on... Orwell couldn't have been more prescient.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Seems that any day that ended in a y, demoralized the DOJ with as much gusto as they seemed to lack actually charging and prosecuting, always errering on the side of caution, allowing the fascist criminal to take control of the United States government, well, as lock as they didn't stick their necks out, they'll still lose their jobs, to people who will destroy the entire rule of law. Good work, folks, excellent public service.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I don't think we can say they were erring on the side of caution. A cautious person would have seen what happened in efforts to get state election results thrown out, on January 6th, and of course they would have pursued all of those prosecution efforts as soon as possible. Because if they waited, you would get what we have here today, and everybody knew it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It could be because their bosses wouldn't let them do their jobs. Now things will be even worse. They will be set like dogs onto people for political reasons, while still unable to prosecute those who deserve it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

It's not good enough to blame it on their bosses. Everyone there had the option to speak up, to go find some senators to talk to, to talk to the press, to quit their jobs in protest. If they didn't do that, then they put themselves before the general public. And I understand they may have had practical reasons for doing so, but it was still their choice not to act.