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[–] Diplomjodler3 54 points 3 months ago (2 children)

But the DNC would rather hand their country to the fascists than allow progressive ideas to gain traction.

[–] simplejack 23 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If you read that article, all of those policies are economic policies that Harris was pushing. Punishing price gouging, lowering rent and mortgages costs by incentivizing building and banning price fixing algorithms, etc.

Those races either had more effective communicators, or shittier opponents. They were democratic candidates that ran on the Democratic Party’s policies.

[–] brlemworld 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How on earth do you have a shittier opponent than Donald Trump?!?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ted Cruz comes to mind…who also won

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For the love of god.... how?

[–] horse_battery_staple 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He campaigned from Cabo

People saw it as a sign of strength.

[–] LotrOrc 6 points 3 months ago

Those are things she and Biden said at the very start of their presidency but then said nothing about for the last two years and never mentioned again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

If the more progressive of the policies were popular, then those should have been at the forefront. But the DNC was too concerned with wooing independents and ensuring the party didn't seem too left.

We have two right-wing parties in America, and the sooner we come to grips with that, the sooner we can work to change it.

[–] IchNichtenLichten 10 points 3 months ago

There's no pressure on them to support progressive policies in a 2 party system. All they have to do is wait until Trump's administration shits the bed and they'll win again.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think this is the real ticket for any party that doesn't want to just be Republican 2.0. Just stop sucking corporate cock and service the working class. But, like, with real, actual helpful things and not just bigotry and feelings that people want to hear like the pube-lickans do.

[–] ilinamorato 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The problem is that the people who can get elected don't have any money, and the people who have money can't get elected. But you need money to run a successful campaign.

[–] Ensign_Crab 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Or course, being moderates, they didn't mean a word of it.

But it does show that even feigned progressive populism brings out the voters that running to the right alienates.

[–] simplejack 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, but read the article, look at the policies those people campaigned on, and google whether or not Harris also backed those economic policies. She did. She supported and ran on most of those policies.

IMHO, this was probably more of an issue around how effective the candidates, and their opponents, were at getting the policies or “vibes” in voter’s minds.

[–] Keeponstalin 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's both a policy and messaging issue. On both fronts the campaign did not take either seriously enough

[–] simplejack 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, just saying that the policies mentioned in the article were not what made those people win or made Harris lose. They basically had the same policies.

[–] Keeponstalin 14 points 3 months ago

I disagree, from the article those candidates had more anti-corporate policies that addressed the issue of cost of living. The closest thing Harris ran on was to crack down on Price gouging, which was/is one of her most popular positions, yet she also did not campaign enough on that front and contrasted it with housing deregulation

[–] Eatspancakes84 -4 points 3 months ago

Of course they were taking it seriously. You can criticise the strategy, but clearly they took it very seriously.

[–] Ensign_Crab 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

She supported and ran on most of those policies.

She ran on "don't do anything different from Biden" and "Look! We got Cheney's endorsement!" and "shut up, the economy's fine!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This was my perception as well - I live in a deeply red state and what local coverage and ads I saw didn't mention any of these policies.

They kept the good stuff under wraps and tried to play it safe but not spooking anyone with "communism."

If I was an average American (obese, uneducated, easily frightened, provincial, and racist), I would not have been swayed to vote for Harris. Actually, the average American didn't vote at all.

T**** did a better job of giving the impression that he was going to do something to help the everyday American. It's a total lie but one that's hard to see through - if you're an average American.

[–] gAlienLifeform 2 points 3 months ago

They kept the good stuff under wraps and tried to play it safe but not spooking anyone with "communism."

This is it exactly, and I feel like this bit of this Salon article (arc'd) perfectly captures why this happened

Tobias described a dynamic where campaign staff and candidates are hesitant to publicly push back on the assertions of billionaire donors like Hoffman, even if the campaign doesn't intend to let them direct policy.

Tobias indicated that the apparent influence of the super-wealthy has a dual effect. It undermines the Democratic Party’s support from its traditional base by steering policy discussions away from economically populist ideas that go against the interest of the wealthy, while simultaneously helping support candidates who are charismatic but don’t come into politics with a consistent ideological framework.

The influence of billionaires was directly early in Harris’ bid for the presidency when moguls like Mark Cuban warned the Harris campaign that a billionaire tax, for example, would be too aggressive, according to the Washington Post. Other business executives, like Tony West, the chief legal officer at Uber and Harris’ brother-in-law, also served as advisors and, according to the Atlantic, helped steer the campaign away from criticism of corporate power.

[–] LotrOrc 2 points 3 months ago

She legitimately didn't run on any of those policies. Two weeks before the election she told everyone that she would do nothing different from Biden. She ran on the platform that Biden was a good president and nothing would change when the entire country was screaming for cha.ge

[–] AbidanYre -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Oh for fuck's sake. Attitudes like that are why candidates don't bother going for the left's votes.

[–] DeadWorldWalking 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You can't meet half way between "a fair world where human life has value" and "complete corporate monopolization of everything. "

The Dems made the choice to continue bending the knee to the rich instead of representing the people who elected them

Wanting leftists to support leftist policies instead of the rich is totally reasonable

I voted for Kamala who was the only correct choice but can'tblame othersfor being apathetic.

[–] Ensign_Crab 3 points 3 months ago

You will accept any excuse to move to the right and only the right. You already got genocide support and loved every last second of it.