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Half of Young Norwegians Say Online Piracy Is an Acceptable Way to Save Money * TorrentFreak (torrentfreak.com)
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[–] Fosheze 25 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If there was a paid service that let me stream shit with the same variety and ease as torrentio then I would pay for it in a heartbeat. But to get almost the same variety I would need to buy every streaming service and even if I did that it would be a pain in the ass to manage every streaming service. The media corps did this to themselves.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 11 points 12 hours ago

And you would still need to pay extra to watch the newest or older titles even if you subscribed to every service, and there are plenty of movies that just aren’t available regardless of which service you subscribe to.

It’s all enshittified.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Why only half? Do the other half not have an opinion at all?

[–] donuts 8 points 7 hours ago

How about reading the article before commenting

[–] negativenull 85 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Oldie but goodie:

We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem, - Gabe Newell

[–] [email protected] 2 points 24 minutes ago

I'm pretty sure it can be both. If there's AmazingService that allows streaming everything there is on torrent and then some, but it costs thousands of dollars per month, no one would be able to afford it and it won't have any meaningful impact on piracy.

[–] eager_eagle 17 points 12 hours ago

He gets it. No wonder why I pay for every game I play, but I refuse to sign up to streaming services again.

If I can get better quality in almost every aspect for free, your service is really crappy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Why can't it be both?

[–] HollowNaught 14 points 12 hours ago

I don't know about you, but I'd be willing to pay a lot of money for a streaming service that guaranteed a good amount of shows I'd want to watch without ever taking any shows or features away

Sadly, no streaming service does this basic feature. It's all enshitification and fragmentation of good shows across multiple services

[–] trespasser69 112 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Reminder:

If buying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

The problem I have with this is that there's no definition of what "owning" means. Never have individuals bought a game and then owned all rights associated with it. It was always a license that included personal use and nothing much else.

However, due to how media distribution worked, this license was generally valid forever and could be transferred to another party, and these two factors - especially the first one - make a good point: why would I enter such a license if the other side can factually nullify it at any point, while I lose that option after a certain time?

Apart from that, media piracy was never stealing in the first place. It's about unlicensed usage and distribution of media. And rightholders can't be surprised if people don't license it if the construct is so stacked to their disadvantage.

[–] hperrin 118 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Because it is. Who wants to pay $120 a month on streaming services you barely use?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I rather take $120 and buy shittons of physical media with it. There's a fire sale on it everywhere right now because everyone is dumping it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Eh? I collect some older gen videogame stuff sometimes and 120$ will not yield me "shittons"

[–] hangonasecond 3 points 7 hours ago

Are you buying collector items?

[–] [email protected] 59 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

When streaming companies continue to give ads after you paid, raise prices, remove content, remove content from your "purchase library", force you to arbitration when your spouse dies (Disney), and spy on your network or phone, ultimately having crappy ever changing EULAs, then piracy is the way to go

[–] [email protected] 44 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Instead of focusing on external threats and concerns, legal streaming platforms themselves could make the most progress by changing their pricing.

Among all self-proclaimed Norwegian pirates, the most common reasons to stop were more affordable legal streaming services (41%) and the availability of a broader range of content per service (35%).

It's almost like people don't like paying more and more for streaming services with less and less shows on them, when the pirates will offer you everything in one much smaller subscription (if not for free).

[–] [email protected] 21 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

No. If I had money to spend on media, "affordable legal streaming services" would NOT stop me from pirating. Broad availability of DRMless media purchases would.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 14 hours ago

you'd be one of few. Most people don't mind compensating others for services, but when services turn to extortion and lock-in with sub-par digital content players piracy becomes a lot more attractive. Not many can afford 4-5 subscriptions (with Prime you need sun-subscriptions too) and all of it's expense and complexity. Singular aggregate platform with a cost equaling today's single subscription cost would probably eliminate good chunk of "piracy". We can only watch so much in a day so given that streaming companies price things out and provision for that there's no more impact on them if multi-service subscription costs the same as a single-service and it will reduce need for piracy, as it's also a hassle to look for content and get all twitchy whether you going to get trojaned or swatted for doing so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What's that about organized crime? I have never heard of that before. Is it only a scare tactic or is it really something to be concerned about when sailing the 7 seas, other than the usual caution (uBlock, VPN, private browser tab)

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 3 points 7 hours ago

ISIS run multiple pirate bay mirrors from their caves.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The world has left everything on the shelf in full public view and access for anyone to take. Everything is based on a system of trust where we willingly pay for things and take what's on the shelf, knowing full well that we could just take the thing off the shelf and walk away without paying. We all trust one another to be fair and do the right thing .... and for the most part, the majority of everyone agrees with that.

Unfortunately, some asshats decided that it was a good idea to make everything expensive or to nickel and dime everyone to death ... most people especially young people just get so pissed off because they can afford fewer and fewer things that they decide that the system of trust is no longer working or worth it.

So they just take the things off the shelf and tell the asshats to go fuck themselves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

"afford fewer and fewer things" needs correction: most "things" are being turned into "services" so people end up owning nothing and being forced to overpay for "service" they never asked for

[–] GuyDudeman 31 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You can never destroy the Viking spirit!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

heh. fr tho, I think this is more about the political climate in Norway than any sort of national identity. I doubt anyone in the states would openly admit to piracy, even if it was an anonymous survey. I think there's a psych term for that, but I forget it; has to do with fear of retribution when answering questions honestly.

[–] pivot_root 23 points 22 hours ago

There's a biological term for it: self-preservation.

Seriously though, media copyrights holders and associations like RIAA and MPAA can go fuck themselves. They spit in the face of public domain and their idea of "restitution" would probably include lethal injection if were an option.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Seems a bit low lol

The other half needs a bit of education on the topic.

Fuck corporate parasites. Either provide the service or get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Fair enough, half are still in the cradle or primary school. Maybe add it to the curriculum.

[–] KaTaRaNaGa 13 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Only half?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Yeah my guess is the other half didn't have an opinion on the matter

[–] Theoriginalthon 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Yeah assuming young means below 16, you can't expect babies to know how to do online piracy, give them until they at least 10 or so

Edit it's 30 but my point still stands

[–] ComradeMiao 17 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

TIL I'm half a young norwegian

[–] proti 1 points 15 hours ago

why not double half young Norwegian?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

so you agree with half of half of young Norwegians

[–] ComradeMiao 4 points 21 hours ago

Halfly, yes.

[–] thecookingsenpai 2 points 22 hours ago

This is why I love the Internet

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Based Norwegians

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

Are they, though? That number seems awfully low to me.