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The community came together Sunday to support two transgender women who say they were attacked near a light rail station in Minneapolis. 

The incident happened Nov. 10 at Hennepin Avenue and Fifth Street in downtown Minneapolis. It's where community members gathered for a rally Sunday afternoon, one week since the attack. 

Amber Muhm, a community leader with Trans Movement for Liberation, said the two trans women were attacked by a group of men at the light rail station after one of the men used transphobic slurs.

"No one came to help them. In fact, they said people were cheering the attackers on while they were getting beaten," Muhm said.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago

Disturbing, that's right outside Gay 90s.

[–] samus12345 20 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

And this was in a blue city in a blue state. It's gonna be really bad.

[–] FuglyDuck 10 points 14 hours ago

A very-nearly-battleground blue state with a significant number of angry redneck in the out state areas that blame MSP for all their troubles. (Like lacking the ability to read…)

In any case… yes it’s absolutely going to get ugly out there.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I’m not trans, and am fairly fem-presenting, but I’ve been accused of being a man several times since this whole bigotry thing really took off.. mostly because I don’t perform femininity particularly well (deep natural voice, no makeup, comfortable clothes, never interested in men hitting on me and not afraid to say so), because it’s all bullshit I don’t care about.

As a result, I’ve more or less stopped going out since I live in a very red area (of an otherwise purple state).. I’m a small woman with disabilities, I’m not confident of my ability to protect myself against large bigoted men (who are thus far the only problem I’ve had).

Now that it’s further ramping up, I’ll just stay home at all times. That surely won’t have consequences. I can only imagine what trans people are dealing with with this stuff. My heart goes out to you.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Minneapolis is a transgender haven though in a state with some of the best pro trans laws on the books.

They were bold enough to do it there. They’re bold enough to do it anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This specific transit spot along with one on lake street is known to get pretty chaotic. There was another attack on a trans individual a year ago I believe at one of the lake street stops.

It doesn't really have anything with being bold to do this in Minneapolis, this is known to be a light rail stop/intersection to avoid if possible.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes 1 points 3 hours ago

Not knowing the details personally, this feels like a really important perspective to have on this.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hate crimes went up 20% during Trump's last term. I suspect the bigots will be even bolder this round.

Stay safe comrades.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Well sure, they've been shown that bad actions like this have the capacity to make them president of the States

[–] [email protected] 11 points 23 hours ago

And they likely imagine Trump will pardon them. And that Trump supporting police won't investigate, which is hopefully not what's happening here. Though I fear it is.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It'll probably go up 80% in his 3rd term

[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago

It'll go down to zero because these things won't legally be hate crimes by then.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

FYI: In MN you have a duty to retreat if you can before you can legally defend yourself. It's very likely these women would be in jail if they had shot their assailants after confronting them. Unfortunately in MN you can't claim self defense after confronting someone when you could have retreated. Very sad situation all around.

After overhearing a group making derogatory remarks toward them at the station at Hennepin Avenue and Fifth Street in downtown Minneapolis, the pair “confronted” the group, which led to a “physical altercation,” Minneapolis Police told The Independent a statement.

Edit to add a link

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/transgender-women-attacked-minneapolis-rail-station-b2649250.html

[–] FuglyDuck 10 points 14 hours ago

Not really. You only have a duty to retreat if a reasonable person would feel they could do so safely.

Once an angry mob is surrounding you, you don’t have to make the attempt.

That said…. Taking up running will ALWAYS be more likely to save your ass than taking up shooting. Even more useful is learning to maintain (reasonable) situational awareness. Avoiding fights winds every time, hands down.

[–] captainlezbian 5 points 16 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We've got four more years of these bigots being emboldened. I expect that these sorts of attacks are going to become a lot more commonplace, and for there to be little-to-no repercussions. Start arming yourselves.

[–] leadore 14 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

We’ve got four more years of ...

I see this all over Lemmy. Do people still not realize what has happened? The next 4 years is just the beginning of what has been unleashed for the US for at least a generation or more.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes 1 points 3 hours ago

Good point. Could just be force of habit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago

At this point, I'm choosing to believe that people are being willfully ignorant. The idea that these Nazis are going to hand power back willingly is a sick joke.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

All the more reason it's important to fight back now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Everyone should have pepper spray. You can open carry a knife for defense if you like. These can both be done immediately, now, cheaply, without paperwork.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Don't carry a knife unless you know how to use it in close quarters. Otherwise you're just giving someone a knife to use against you.

Chemical deterrents are probably the better way to go, especially if you practice with it, ie know the arc distance and how to aim.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

*Depending on local laws. Please check.

[–] SkunkWorkz 13 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

*depending on skin color. Please check yourself.

Like how many people were shot dead because they had a pocket knife in their hand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

In all 50 states and Washington D.C., it is legal to use pepper spray for self-defense purposes.

Pepper spray laws by state

US Knife laws by state

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

Age restrictions, size of containers, where you can carry it, formulations, criminal history, etc, can all be factors for pepper spray.

For knives, the size of the blade, mechanical operation, age, etc are all factors.

My comment applies. PLEASE, CHECK YOUR LOCAL LAWS.

[–] PugJesus 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Buckle up folks, and be sure to stand up for any trans folk you know or see. It's gonna be a rough couple of years for the trans community.

[–] captainlezbian 6 points 16 hours ago

And be sure to encourage those in your life to empathize with us. Bigots are attempting to dehumanize and other us, to make us into monsters and freaks, when someone understands us as just people, neighbors, friends, family… then the virulent hate becomes seen as shameful. It disemboldens them

[–] indomara 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sad that no one stepped in.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But I see your true colors

Shining through

I see your true colors

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You know that song was written for her lesbian sister right? In the '80s.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

That's why I selected just those lines. It was an attempt at irony.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago
[–] die444die 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

She didn’t write the song so I’m not sure that’s true.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks I stand corrected on that.

The song is still an expression of solidarity for gay people though. And Cindy has a long history of expressing that solidarity, because her sister is a lesbian.

[–] die444die 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I do agree with you on that, it’s a very meaningful song for me, and I do believe that Cyndi very well may have had her sister in mind when she recorded it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It looks like she had a friend in mind that was a victim of the AIDS epidemic.

And now I'm crying.

Cyndi helped me crack my egg. I loved her as a child, and even more deeply now as an adult.

So her music means a lot to me too

[–] TheDeepState 0 points 11 hours ago

Why are Yankees intolerant?

[–] peopleproblems 7 points 1 day ago

Well, nevermind what I thought about Minneapolis.

We're boned