The mistake was to push an individual solution to a systemic problem. He should have tried to get mandatory tipping banned.
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2024
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Only systemic changes can fix systemic problems.
Not enough people understand this, apparently even Trotsky
He was right. Tipping culture is horrible and should go away.
Right sentiment, wrong solution.
You don't fix workers' problems by being a dick to them and making it hard for them to afford to live - you fix workers' problems by inflicting the pain on the decision makers - employers and legislators.
Let’s make living wages a thing first
That's how you make it go away
Should get a regular salary
The operative word in that statement is should, Leon
Yeah, I want waitstaff to be paid a living wage.
Until that happens tipping is a necessary evil.
Or maybe tipping is enabling the practice?
Tipping doesn't enable the practice, but not tipping does negatively impact the people who are being taken advantage of by the system.
If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.
If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.
It is the same logical leap that says if we just keep not voting for Democrats, they’ll suddenly get better.
How is it the same? Democrat is not a job that needs filling. See what restaurants will do if their staff have to leave for better paying jobs.
Yes, same logic and predictable outcome.
to pay a fair wage
Funny how in the dozens of conversations I've read on this subject, the people receiving the tips aren't the ones bitching about tips.
I worked at a payroll firm and many of those folks are making more than a "fair wage".
But the system MAN! Apparently servers are loving the system. Because they're absolutely silent in these threads. If you had your way, they would make less money. But I guess you could be satisfied that you brought "the man" down low. Worker solidarity, right?
Lmao for real. When I was working as a waiter / bartender, I was easily making as much or more money than my managers and working 1/3 as many hours, all while my paychecks read $0.00 due to taxes.
The problem with that industry, for me, wasn't the money. It was the people. Especially the self-righteous assholes. I didn't even care if the occasional person tipped poorly or not at all, but if they were a dick head, and they didn't tip, good luck getting good, or if i could, any service from me in the future.
No service industry worker in drag's country would consent to being paid less than minimum wage.
I'm not even sure that's the case. I went to a restaurant where there was a required "tip" (regardless of party size) and then they gave the option for an additional tip. I assume they did that because a large enough percentage of patrons did not tip and I assume this is what businesses in the US would do in general, rather than just increase the prices on the menu which would give customers a more clear picture of what they'll be spending.
The whole cart and horse thing
"Does that mean you're going to harass the owners to pay them a living wage, Leon? Maybe hand them some literature, mount some social pressure or a boycott? Change the laws? Give the owners a pile of 'tip' money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages? Something?"
"No. I like the owners. They sell me milkshakes."
Give the owners a pile of ‘tip’ money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages?
I think that last one might not be all that effective
I mean, something. That one gets the workers paid without them needing to enter into any kind of weird payment-is-voluntary servitude for it. It might also shame the owners into just abolishing the policy. Certainly it has a higher chance of success than just stiffing the workers and advising other shoppers to do the same.
If a better metaphor for communists on the internet exists, I haven't heard it. This is hard to beat.
"You have a good point, but you aren't doing what you think you're doing"
Disco Elysium house of cards communist moment is my personal fave.
Real life tho this is it
A lot of "Internet communists" don't much care for Trotsky either.
Theory meets practice
C'mon, Trotsky, don't be a dick
Literally impossible
In drag's country, we listened to Trotsky. Nobody tips. And it's great. We have a living minimum wage and waiters actually get paid it.
He do be right.
Fuck Trotsky, all the homies hate Trotsky.