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The Lord works in mysterious ways. (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The Buddha is not a god. Buddhism is nontheistic and shouldn't be included in this meme.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Trust me, for many Buddhists in Asia he plays the same role.

Source: Grew up as one.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

There seems to be a large religious figure missing from this image... I wonder why that is?

[–] DougHolland 2 points 1 hour ago

He's there, but he's invisible!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

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[–] Valmond 16 points 13 hours ago

With local gods I think it's more like a million.

[–] johannesvanderwhales -3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Do we have a /c/Im14andThisIsEdgy?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Based on the description of this community, I think this is it

[–] johannesvanderwhales -5 points 7 hours ago

Yeah I think this one is going on the blocklist.

[–] TokenBoomer -3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Money isn’t real

[–] BilliamBoberts 2 points 5 hours ago

Money serves a tangible purpose.

[+] the_toast_is_gone -10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This argument is only as compelling as "There are over 5,000 explanations for what the sun is. But don't worry, only yours is correct." Or "There are over 5,000 ideologies believed in by humanity. But don't worry, only yours is correct."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

The difference is, with the sun, you can actually look up and see it. You can use a telescope to see it in detail. You can determine which of the 5000 statements is true. You can study and understand it. With religion, they all have an equal basis in reality

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What if my god is the sun? Check and mate.

Before you try and blaspheme, just know the power of my deity can and will give you cancer if you don't anoint yourself with the proper sacrificial ointments.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What Solar Piety Factor ointment do you recommend?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It depends on the types of sin happening in your local environment. Some places are exposed to more levels of gods wrath than others.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

My environment is apparently steeped in sin based on current wrath levels, and only shows signs of increasing. Additionally, I am one of God's cursed races, I bear the Nuclear Overlord's most spited complexion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The sun is a cruel, but righteous god. May your melanomas be painless and swift.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Understandable

[–] the_toast_is_gone 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Not all religions have an equal basis in reality. If you have a religion that claims the sun is literally a divine, disembodied head that's so mad it's glowing, we can empirically disprove that. That's just not what stars are. If you have one that correctly states what the sun is, that means the second religion has a better basis in reality than the first.

We can also know things logically or philosophically, but can't debate them scientifically. That's often how we come to moral conclusions - we can't strictly base how we should behave off of evolutionary advantages, for example.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, that's a pretty human-chauvinistic view. You can prove that the sun is a gigantic nuclear furnace, but you can't really prove that gigantic nuclear furnaces aren't what disembodied godheads look like.

[–] the_toast_is_gone -3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We know what a head is. It's a part of a biological creature. In the absence of some convincing evidence or argumentation otherwise, it doesn't make sense to assume it's a head.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Robots are not biological, yet many have heads that fulfill the same sensory function as biological heads. It is very possible that non-biological sentient entities exist, and in absence of some convincing evidence or argumentation otherwise, it doesn't make sense to definitively assume nuclear sentiences can't exist.

[–] the_toast_is_gone 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You're piling on assumptions like crazy, which makes for a logically weak position. All other things being equal, the claim that relies on the fewest assumptions is more likely to be true. Given the increasingly outlandish assumptions at play, it makes more sense to believe that the sun is not a sentient head glowing with rage.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Not really, no. My position is objectively based on fewer assumptions than yours. Occam's razor is certainly useful, but it is not a tool for determining truth. It's only a tool for determining the simplest explanation.

Your assumption that sentient beings, and their heads, must be biological places your claim in a much more precarious position relative to the razor than mine.

[–] the_toast_is_gone 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You're making the argument that it is, or could be, a sentient, angry head. No evidence or arguments for that position, other than "well we can't say it isn't" have been presented. A head is a defined object, and there's no reason to modify the definition of "head" to include the sun. Your argument doesn't make much more sense than "a hydrogen atom may be a carbon atom, your assumption that it isn't is precarious."

Occam's razor is indeed for simpler arguments rather than article strictly for truth. But from my experience as an engineer, generally the fewer assumptions you make when coming to a conclusion, the closer to the truth you'll actually be.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Correct. So assumptions like "life must be biological, and alternative claims are outlandish" places you objectively further from the truth.

[–] the_toast_is_gone 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

"Life" is a defined term, a biological function. Non-biological objects are, by definition, not living. This isn't an assumption, it's a definition. Again, you're essentially arguing that hydrogen atoms are also carbon atoms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Only if you define it that way, which means that you need an alternative term for non-biological entities which, otherwise, fulfill all the actually functional landmarks of life: sensing, processing, and subsequently interacting with the environment. There's no proof that these phenomena are implicitly bound to biological systems.

Call it what you want, but there's absolutely no evidence (besides the circumstantial evidence of observed phenomenon in an implicitly biased environment) that biology is the only way to achieve sentience. Our knowledge of the mechanisms of sentience is woefully limited. Biological-chauvinism only cements your own myopic biases, skepticism taken to the extreme of prejudice.

I'm claiming that carbon and hydrogen are both atomic elements composed of protons, neutrons, and electrons. You're claiming that hydrogen is the only legitimate substance and carbon, by definition, isn't a real substance.

[–] the_toast_is_gone 1 points 1 hour ago

A definition is not an assumption, it's a description of something which has certain known properties. If something else fulfills similar functions to a living being, but it isn't a biological entity, then, by the biological definition, it isn't alive. I'm not sure what your issue is here. It's not like we're ever going to run out of definitions. Are you arguing in favor of animism?

My claim is that carbon and hydrogen are distinct substances with particular properties and definitions. There is no "one true substance."

[–] mhague 1 points 31 minutes ago

But do you agree that the argument is bad? If there was an actually legit religion then it would be logical that one is real and the 5000 are not. Doesn't matter if religions are bogus, this logic is bogus too.