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This is really interesting stuff, found it on Hacker News. It's like WINE, but for Android <-> Linux: https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer/

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Wow this is awesome! Waydroid is insecure (outdated, rootful container), slow in development and only sandboxed on Fedora.

But that they take Newpipe... which is notoriously broken as Youtube tries to block everything...

Other apps are

  • OSMAnd~
  • OrganicMaps
  • Grayjay
  • Jerboa, Fedilab, Pixeldroid
  • Amethyst, Voyage

Those are really unique on Android

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I'm using NewPipe daily and it doesn't seem broken at all?

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[–] Quackdoc 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

it's worth noting that no actual security problems have been presented that haven't been dealt with, Sandboxing is available on any distro assuming the tools are made availible. Waydroid supports both apparmor and selinux, please report any security issues and tag the maintainers when doing so.

EDIT: you do need to set apparmor into enforce mode manually though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, so the Android SELinux sandbox can work with Apparmor?

[–] Quackdoc 2 points 2 months ago

It's less secure, but the host<->guest seperation is there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I've been using FreeTube on desktop and it has worked great (with VPN)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Freetube uses Electron. The Flatpak is 240MB in size, the Newpipe + Translation layer is 40MB

It also doesnt bundle an often outdated version of Chromium, as found in Electron

But I tried Newpipe Flatpak and it was blocked totally. May have been because of my VPN though. Freetube had the same issues.

Grayjay is king at block circumvention

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I went from newpipe to tubular since it comes with sponsorblock, but iirc the backend is the same.

No VPN or anything, it works great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes with no VPN it will work easier

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's most likely watching Youtube with your VPN that's broken then, not NewPipe. Youtube implemented Captchas for IPs that generate a lot of traffic/a lot of people are using. That's how they are trying to kill frontends like invidious that proxy the requests. NewPipe by default uses your own IP so it doesn't have that problem. If you use a VPN IP that a lot of others are using too, you'll get that same problem though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yes I assume this increases many issues.

This might also explain why sometimes the one, sometimes the other app (desktop vs phone) is broken

[–] richardisaguy 2 points 2 months ago

hey! don't be mean like that to my baby...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Newpipe works perfectly fine with only small issues sometimes. OrganicMaps is available on flathub

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The OrganicMaps for "regular" Linux is very different from the Android app though. Completely different UI tech (Qt vs native Android widgets) and lacks important things like turn-by-turn navigation.

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[–] yogurtwrong 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

As the rule of thumb with FOSS projects, it has a horrible name

Time to rename it to one of the very creative FOSS project names

  • yet another something (YAS)
  • something is not other thing (SINOT)
  • OpenSomething, FreeSomething, LibreSomething
  • Something
  • Periodic table
  • Somethingify (this one is new)

Kudos to devs though. This is awesome

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago
  • KDE Advanced Something Editor (KASE)
  • Gsomething
  • Some random word. The worst ones I can think of are simultaneously Kleopatra and Seahorse. Guess what they do.
  • "It's actually the name of an Indonesian fruit commonly eaten at celebrations..."

Yeah it's not open source unless the title is a garbage fire.

[–] ikidd 2 points 2 months ago

You forgot -XNG

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Interesting concept, if it gets good enough I hope ubuntu touch adopts this because I'm not a big fan of waydroid.

[–] Quackdoc 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's still really basic, but has loads of potential, Unforunately it has a hard requirement on GTK, otherwise there are a few things that would have been nice for greater AX86 in general, for instance they have mediacodec->vaapi support, something ax86 has... struggled with in the past. but we can't use it since we can't use gtk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Ubuntu Touch can't use GTK? Why not?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This is great. This gives me hope for Linux mobile 🙏🏽

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[–] Unyieldingly 10 points 2 months ago

Android apps on flathub will be lovely.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How is ATL's architecture different than Waydroid's?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I guess it's running a free ART implémentation? As Android runs on Linux there's at least no kernel translation layer to do

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

finally a non electron yt client, i also have another question does sober use the same method.

[–] Wispy2891 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Electron apps suck and should die but for a YouTube player it seems appropriate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Man Electron takes so much resources tho

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[–] tomjuggler 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does anyone know if this is the same way Sober is running the port of Roblox?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

No, it's the same way as how mcpe-launcher works with android minecraft

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It didn't work on my Arch (btw) nor Fedora

[–] vinnymac 4 points 2 months ago

Someone on HN earlier today mentioned they would fix the Arch issues

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

really buggy on fedora kinoite

[–] richardisaguy 3 points 2 months ago

feel you, brother

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Well yes, it's still early days and very much WIP. But the fact it works at all is amazing and shows what can be done with more work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I wonder how does it work? New pipe is originally a portarit application for Android.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

It translates the Android API to Linux desktop-compatible calls, just like Wine does for Windows apps.

[–] tomjuggler 2 points 2 months ago

Newpipe works great on tablets too, a lot of Android apps have a landscape mode

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