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This is really interesting stuff, found it on Hacker News. It's like WINE, but for Android <-> Linux: https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer/

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Wow this is awesome! Waydroid is insecure (outdated, rootful container), slow in development and only sandboxed on Fedora.

But that they take Newpipe... which is notoriously broken as Youtube tries to block everything...

Other apps are

  • OSMAnd~
  • OrganicMaps
  • Grayjay
  • Jerboa, Fedilab, Pixeldroid
  • Amethyst, Voyage

Those are really unique on Android

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm using NewPipe daily and it doesn't seem broken at all?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I use a VPN with NewPipe, no problems. I'm using the NewPipe repo for the app

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ditto here. NewPipe + VPN works fine on my tablet I use as a YouTube machine. The only problems have been when YT messes with stuff to try to block them, and then NewPipe will have it fixed usually within a day. And that doesn't happen as often as people think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Depends on what VPN server you use then I guess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Newpipe breaks very often for me. Freetube breaks less

[–] Quackdoc 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

it's worth noting that no actual security problems have been presented that haven't been dealt with, Sandboxing is available on any distro assuming the tools are made availible. Waydroid supports both apparmor and selinux, please report any security issues and tag the maintainers when doing so.

EDIT: you do need to set apparmor into enforce mode manually though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Interesting, so the Android SELinux sandbox can work with Apparmor?

[–] Quackdoc 2 points 1 month ago

It's less secure, but the host<->guest seperation is there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I've been using FreeTube on desktop and it has worked great (with VPN)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Freetube uses Electron. The Flatpak is 240MB in size, the Newpipe + Translation layer is 40MB

It also doesnt bundle an often outdated version of Chromium, as found in Electron

But I tried Newpipe Flatpak and it was blocked totally. May have been because of my VPN though. Freetube had the same issues.

Grayjay is king at block circumvention

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Good to know, thanks. If the FreeTube flatpak is working for me, I might as well try the Newpipe one if it's that much better. I guess I just assumed that the translation layer would add CPU overhead.

I'll have to look into Grayjay. Is there a flatpak? I'm on immutable, so flatpak is much preferred.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Newpipe flatpak is totally broken XD

but it is more efficient, the translation layer is not an issue.

Actually, I am not sure what LocalSend and ConverterNOW use but those also look kinda like Android apps with GTK decorations.

Grayjay is android-only but a really nice cross-platform player. It is a framework with plugins, for nearly all streaming services... apart from Peertube??

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I went from newpipe to tubular since it comes with sponsorblock, but iirc the backend is the same.

No VPN or anything, it works great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes with no VPN it will work easier

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's most likely watching Youtube with your VPN that's broken then, not NewPipe. Youtube implemented Captchas for IPs that generate a lot of traffic/a lot of people are using. That's how they are trying to kill frontends like invidious that proxy the requests. NewPipe by default uses your own IP so it doesn't have that problem. If you use a VPN IP that a lot of others are using too, you'll get that same problem though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yes I assume this increases many issues.

This might also explain why sometimes the one, sometimes the other app (desktop vs phone) is broken

[–] richardisaguy 2 points 1 month ago

hey! don't be mean like that to my baby...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Newpipe works perfectly fine with only small issues sometimes. OrganicMaps is available on flathub

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The OrganicMaps for "regular" Linux is very different from the Android app though. Completely different UI tech (Qt vs native Android widgets) and lacks important things like turn-by-turn navigation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

in what situation would you need turn by turn navigation on Linux???

[–] teolan 7 points 1 month ago

For a linux phone