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This is really interesting stuff, found it on Hacker News. It's like WINE, but for Android <-> Linux: https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer/

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Wow this is awesome! Waydroid is insecure (outdated, rootful container), slow in development and only sandboxed on Fedora.

But that they take Newpipe... which is notoriously broken as Youtube tries to block everything...

Other apps are

  • OSMAnd~
  • OrganicMaps
  • Grayjay
  • Jerboa, Fedilab, Pixeldroid
  • Amethyst, Voyage

Those are really unique on Android

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I'm using NewPipe daily and it doesn't seem broken at all?

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[–] Quackdoc 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

it's worth noting that no actual security problems have been presented that haven't been dealt with, Sandboxing is available on any distro assuming the tools are made availible. Waydroid supports both apparmor and selinux, please report any security issues and tag the maintainers when doing so.

EDIT: you do need to set apparmor into enforce mode manually though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Interesting, so the Android SELinux sandbox can work with Apparmor?

[–] Quackdoc 2 points 1 month ago

It's less secure, but the host<->guest seperation is there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I've been using FreeTube on desktop and it has worked great (with VPN)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Freetube uses Electron. The Flatpak is 240MB in size, the Newpipe + Translation layer is 40MB

It also doesnt bundle an often outdated version of Chromium, as found in Electron

But I tried Newpipe Flatpak and it was blocked totally. May have been because of my VPN though. Freetube had the same issues.

Grayjay is king at block circumvention

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I went from newpipe to tubular since it comes with sponsorblock, but iirc the backend is the same.

No VPN or anything, it works great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes with no VPN it will work easier

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's most likely watching Youtube with your VPN that's broken then, not NewPipe. Youtube implemented Captchas for IPs that generate a lot of traffic/a lot of people are using. That's how they are trying to kill frontends like invidious that proxy the requests. NewPipe by default uses your own IP so it doesn't have that problem. If you use a VPN IP that a lot of others are using too, you'll get that same problem though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yes I assume this increases many issues.

This might also explain why sometimes the one, sometimes the other app (desktop vs phone) is broken

[–] richardisaguy 2 points 1 month ago

hey! don't be mean like that to my baby...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Newpipe works perfectly fine with only small issues sometimes. OrganicMaps is available on flathub

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The OrganicMaps for "regular" Linux is very different from the Android app though. Completely different UI tech (Qt vs native Android widgets) and lacks important things like turn-by-turn navigation.

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[–] yogurtwrong 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

As the rule of thumb with FOSS projects, it has a horrible name

Time to rename it to one of the very creative FOSS project names

  • yet another something (YAS)
  • something is not other thing (SINOT)
  • OpenSomething, FreeSomething, LibreSomething
  • Something
  • Periodic table
  • Somethingify (this one is new)

Kudos to devs though. This is awesome

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago
  • KDE Advanced Something Editor (KASE)
  • Gsomething
  • Some random word. The worst ones I can think of are simultaneously Kleopatra and Seahorse. Guess what they do.
  • "It's actually the name of an Indonesian fruit commonly eaten at celebrations..."

Yeah it's not open source unless the title is a garbage fire.

[–] ikidd 2 points 1 month ago

You forgot -XNG

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Interesting concept, if it gets good enough I hope ubuntu touch adopts this because I'm not a big fan of waydroid.

[–] Quackdoc 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's still really basic, but has loads of potential, Unforunately it has a hard requirement on GTK, otherwise there are a few things that would have been nice for greater AX86 in general, for instance they have mediacodec->vaapi support, something ax86 has... struggled with in the past. but we can't use it since we can't use gtk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ubuntu Touch can't use GTK? Why not?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

This is great. This gives me hope for Linux mobile 🙏🏽

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[–] Unyieldingly 10 points 1 month ago

Android apps on flathub will be lovely.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is ATL's architecture different than Waydroid's?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I guess it's running a free ART implémentation? As Android runs on Linux there's at least no kernel translation layer to do

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

finally a non electron yt client, i also have another question does sober use the same method.

[–] Wispy2891 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Electron apps suck and should die but for a YouTube player it seems appropriate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Man Electron takes so much resources tho

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[–] tomjuggler 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Does anyone know if this is the same way Sober is running the port of Roblox?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

No, it's the same way as how mcpe-launcher works with android minecraft

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It didn't work on my Arch (btw) nor Fedora

[–] vinnymac 4 points 1 month ago

Someone on HN earlier today mentioned they would fix the Arch issues

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

really buggy on fedora kinoite

[–] richardisaguy 3 points 1 month ago

feel you, brother

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Well yes, it's still early days and very much WIP. But the fact it works at all is amazing and shows what can be done with more work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wonder how does it work? New pipe is originally a portarit application for Android.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

It translates the Android API to Linux desktop-compatible calls, just like Wine does for Windows apps.

[–] tomjuggler 2 points 1 month ago

Newpipe works great on tablets too, a lot of Android apps have a landscape mode

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