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Its time to switch to Linux!

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[–] wreckedcarzz 92 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle 58 points 1 month ago (3 children)

no longer receive security update

[–] iAvicenna 10 points 1 month ago

your base are belong to us

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Windows 10? I'm on Linux Mint 22, which is more than double the number.

Checkmate Microsuck.

[–] wreckedcarzz 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

MFW I revert to Windows 2000

😎

[–] accideath 10 points 1 month ago

I mean, it’s so old, it’s probably safer than 10 next year

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Linux can also be susceptible to attacks and breaches too.

[–] wreckedcarzz 16 points 1 month ago

"no, wait, not like that!"

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pretty sure w10 still receives updates

[–] marcos 58 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's scheduled to stop receiving them October 14, 2025.

[–] Harvey656 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

1 year until my distro search is forced to come to an end and I must choose one.

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[–] peopleproblems 31 points 1 month ago (12 children)

I have a crazy idea.

What if y'all get together, and make a guide on an easy way to switch to idk Arch, since Valve is working with it.

You know, so that they don't have to spend a lot of money, and don't have to worry about losing all their data, and hopefully so they don't have to learn everything about Linux so they can enjoy using it right away.

Ha, I almost believed that was realistic rereading it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Exactly. Us Linux users, as a collective, tend to shoot ourselves in the foot here because we can't decide on the "best" distro for beginners. If we all just said one thing, with confidence and without arguments, and without saying "it depends...", more would probably make the switch.

No major outlets that the average user would frequent are likely to sell laptops with any Linux distro pre installed. Many non-technical users wouldn't even reinstall Windows by themselves, let alone Linux.

Any of the usual starter distros would be a good choice because once they are in the ecosystem they can find their own path. When a non technical person asks how to get Linux, there is no worse answer than a barrage of information followed by more questions. Just pick one, say it confidently, and assist them to make it happen.

[–] peopleproblems 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People like choice, but people don't want to have to spend time choosing or learning.

That's why I mentioned Arch - because of the tie in with the Steam Deck. Nice and easy for gamers to make a connection to.

What becomes the difficult sell is that people, in general, don't understand computers. It's the bane of my existence. Any Linux distro requires a basic understanding of how computers work. The Windows PC and Apple products were successful because they required no learning and the user was relatively protect from messing anything up.

The Steam Deck was successful because it took that same approach. It just uses a variant of their Big Picture mode users are already used to.

Linux, by it's very nature, is not something that can be widely adopted by consumers. I think that's why Apple and Windows (hell, even Google with Android and Chrome OS) can get all the invasive technology to the user they want, and force users to adopt even more invasive things. Because people just won't learn anything else. And that's not something any of us can do anything about.

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[–] Ohbs 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And which distro would you pick with confidence? (Legitimately asking, I don't know which one I'd pick)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I intentionally didn't include it in my post because I didn't want the wave of differing opinions to distract from my point.

Personally, on balance, I would suggest Mint (Cinammon) for a new user, especially if it's an Internet stranger. Of course, I expect many, many replies disagreeing or explaining why I'm wrong and should pick ... something else.

There are loads of distros that are, or claim to be, friendly to new users. As with everything, all have advantages and disadvantages. My kids use Bazzite on their laptops because I can support them and deal with anything unexpected. I wouldn't recommend it to a random person because the installation isn't as friendly as others, and it's not as prevalent, so there is less support via search engines. The forums are quite active, and the community is friendly, but many folk would rather look for an existing answer than ask anything new. Then of course there's Ubuntu (with Snap et al), Pop!_OS, Elementary, Deepin etc etc. We could probably discuss the merits and detractors of each forever, just like currently happens in so many threads on Lemmy, Reddit and others.

So, why would I suggest Mint? Simply because it's not a wrong answer. It's easy to get, easy to install, has a great and welcoming community, and serves as a great place to introduce users to the ecosystem. After using it for a while, they can make their own, more informed choice of their next distro. There are plenty of other not wrong distros to choose from, but Mint is the one I would suggest.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's actually pretty easy with the guided installer currently shipping with arch, and there are actually numerous guides on how to install Arch.

Choosing not to is perfectly reasonable, but it's not for lack of effort from the Linux community trying to make things easier and more accessible.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's a bunch of beginner friendly distros, it's just that when you want to make things work as well as they did on Windows then you hit a wall.

I'm using Mint (which is as beginner friendly as it gets)... Because my display signal dropped whenever there was load on the GPU on Bazzite (Fedora based) which is also supposed to be beginner friendly...

No easy way to disable the audio outputs I don't actually use. On Windows? Couple of clicks, all done through GUI.

Wifi antenna didn't work, had to install unofficial drivers from GitHub.

I've got a multi display setup and sometimes I want to switch where things are displayed. On Windows I downloaded Monitor profile switcher and it does everything for me, just had to save the setup to a profile and assign a keyboard shortcut (which isn't essential as there's a shortcut to switch it on the taskbar), it's all done inside the program. On Mint I had to create a script to choose what to display with what resolution and create a new keyboard shortcut in a separate program because the alternative was to have to open the file explorer to open the folder where the script it saved to execute it.

Playing games is easier than ever! Except that games that have both a Linux and Windows version fuck up when it comes to cloud saving on Steam because the save game folder isn't necessarily the same (and the Deck installs the Windows version by default so fuck compatibility between that Linux running machine and Linux PCs!) so you still have to force install the windows version even though there's a perfectly playable Linux version!

Don't want to use the terminal? "Everything can be done without it but using it makes things easier..." When people say that they mean that you can browse the web and write stuff on LibreOffice but as soon as you deviate from stuff that you can accomplish with a simple Android tablet you're fucked because you'll have issues you couldn't imagine. If you don't want to use the terminal at that point you need to write scripts outside the terminal and then execute them so technically you didn't do what you needed to do in the terminal but the end result is the same!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Arch would be a bad idea, as if a user finds installing Fedora too hard Arch ain't doing them any favors.

And there are guides. Youtube "how to install (linux distro)," if it's popular there's already 500 guides.

As for data loss this should come as no surprise: back it up. Preferably on an external hdd/ssd, or your choice of cloud service if you're one of those people. Erasing your entire hard drive and installing a new OS will perhaps unsurprisingly wipe all your data without a backup. Frankly you should already have backups, idk why people pretend data loss is impossible on windows but it has happened to me and I can't be the only one.

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[–] M137 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm absolutely certain the grammatical clusterfuck in so many memes and posts is done fully consciously. Like, someone sat there and actually thought about how to make it grammatically fucked yet get the point across, just to get those extra comments pointing it out. And it's fucking horrifying that this is where we are, deliberately making things dumb to get more "clicks".

[–] danc4498 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Its all about teh enjagement.

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[–] yesman 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They just fired two workers for organizing a protest against supporting Israel. You don't have to make up conspiracy theories to convince people that Microsoft: Bad.

Step 1: damage your customers

Step 2: ?

Step 3: profit

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[–] iAvicenna 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

bully everyone into upgrading to Windows 11 so you can force data scraping in the guise of AI down their throats. nice game

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is this post from the future? Windows 10 still has support for another year.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In the title, not the image. So confusing

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[–] Katana314 17 points 1 month ago (10 children)

In the last month, I made a genuine effort to switch to Linux Mint, then Bazzite, as my daily driver. Mint could not run Hitman 3 for unexplained reasons. Bazzite frequently got graphical corruption issues when returning from sleep. Neither could run niche indie games and gave no error codes.

I knew I’d be doing some tweaking to get Linux working how I wanted, but it was missing configuration as well as being unreliable by default. I like the principle of using a non-MS OS, but I need it to work.

[–] dingus 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah I've always been a very casual Linux enthusiast (key word is casual) since I was a teen. Setup and things "just working" out of the box have absolutely never been the case, even in 2024, and even though people like to say it does. In an ideal situation on an ideal computer with ideal hardware, you don't have to tweak anything. But for most people, there are going to be some annoying issues and tweaks you have to work through.

If a Linux system has already been set up and tested for the end user, then it is a great alternative. But in my experience, these systems absolutely never work perfectly out of the box and it takes some technical know how to get to that point. Ever since Windows 7, Windows has "just worked" out of the box... especially because it comes pre-loaded on your device.

I have been dealing with some issues with my Bluetooth module in Windows. I had eventually solved the problem, but the fix seemed to have reverted itself somewhat recently. Annoyed, I thought I'd finally commit to a switch to Linux on my daily driver since my laptop doesn't support Win 11. Well, I chose Linux Mint since it doesn't use Wayland which for some reason has poor compatibility with my common Logitech mouse. Everything had been fine but then I found instead of the Bluetooth module crashing like in Windows, which just makes me have to reset the module, the entire system crashes in Linux instead and requires me to reboot it. Frustrating to say the least.

And then, as you've brought up, gaming on Linux is just generally not a good experience unless you have all of your games on Steam.

Linux can be awesome but it's absolutely not for everyone...especially people with less technical knowledge (unless it is set up for them), people who want something to "just work" without any fiddling, or people who do a lot of gaming outside of Steam.

[–] Sylvartas 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was lazy and went with pop!_os. Required minimal tweaking, and so far there are very few games I couldn't run

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[–] Aceticon 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Bullshit!

I've been using Windows 7 for years well after end of support and my computer never got hacked!

Oh yes it did

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

They were got hacked?! Where is has the media been has in all this??!1!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I mean, we have no laws about os support.

Imo a very common sense one is to make any software too old to maintain just open source.

Ownership in software should be based on who is willing and capable of maintaining it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Windows 10 is coming up on 10 years old. Things can't live forever.

MS learned that from XP.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I recall them saying Windows 10 would be a rolling release and it would be the last one you ever had to buy. Could be wrong though. I don't pay much attention because I haven't used it since Windows 7. I don't have a link to back this up, just my hazy memory.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine a virus that installs linux on that date.

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[–] RangerJosie 12 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Yeah. Gotta find a distro soonish. My 3-4 year old laptop tried to update to W11 and has failed twice. Guess it doesn't meet the hardware reqs. (Thank you RNGesus)

[–] thawed_caveman 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Currently writing from a Mint laptop, works perfectly with minimal setup and no command line whatsoever, the only annoying thing is that the caps lock key behaves differently. Though Linux's reputation is that it can probably be modded out.

I also installed Diodon to recover the cool clipboard function that Windows has.

I could probably get the customizeable start menu, but i actually don't miss it that much

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

were got hacked

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Every OS has a limited life span of support. Linux is no different. Every distro I'm aware of does 5 years or less of support vs Microsoft's 10 years.

[–] tequinhu 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I would disagree on the basis that Linux upgrades don't require hardware upgrades (unless you have a very low end hardware that's hanging by a thread already)

For example, I don't remember seeing all this fuss about upgrading when people were moving from 8.1 to 10 (but it could just be me on my bubble)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The difference is you now need a TPM 2.0 chip. That's pretty much it. Hardware requirements were the same as Win8.

If you are using a desktop computer, all you need to do is buy a $20-30 TPM 2.0 module and install it. It connects to a few pins and your done. It's cheap, simple, and easy to do.

The issue is most people now have laptops and quite a few didn't have that chip or that version (some have TPM 1.2, which isn't as secure anymore.) and you can't install it on a laptop motherboard. TPM 2.0 has been available since mid-2016, but some manufacturers might have cheapened out and not added it to save costs as it wasn't a necessary part. So basically, any laptop that is 9 years or older (or the manufacturer cheapened out) won't be able to upgrade to Win11.

[–] spookedintownsville 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Hmmm. I've never seen a board with a TPM header.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I feel like Microsoft fully intends to remove the TPM 2.0 requirement in the nearish future

Otherwise it wouldn't be so easy to disable when writing an iso to a USB drive.

Looking at it from a capitalistic point of view, they gain nothing by keeping people from installing their OS on the long term, the lock out was just for the short-term gains they got out of OEMs selling new computers for Windows 11 and such.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Its time to switch to Linux!

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[–] RizzRustbolt 7 points 1 month ago

DHS is still no-go on Windows 11.

That date may get pushed back.

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