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[–] [email protected] 122 points 2 months ago (10 children)
[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Insane to start the plot at 45k. The rate of decline is rather minimal

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In the last 3 months it went down by about 10,000 users. Comparing with the rate of increase in total Lemmy users, active user rate should have at least been stable. I guess we will have to wait for reddit to fuck up again for another influx. And Lemmy is only getting better with time so probably on every influx more users are going to stay.

I try to get people from niche subs I follow to move to Lemmy but every time I do I get downvoted. Could be automated by reddit idk

[–] Takumidesh 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

People generally don't like being proselytized.

[–] danc4498 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right. Just make great lemmy content and screenshot it. Then when people ask for the source you provide the lemmy link

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (9 children)

The starting point is just so you can adequately see trends for both plots shown and is quite sane. I also don't know if I could call an ~5% decline and clear trend minimal either.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The same plot with a more reasonable y-axis:

Active users (monthly is what you should be looking at) is very slowly declining, however we are still above the level that we were before the most recent influx.

[–] JubilantJaguar 20 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Gotta ask why it seems to slowly decline after each influx, tho, rather than slowly rise or stay stable.

Seems at least some of these people are not liking what they find.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Gotta ask why it seems to slowly decline after each influx, tho, rather than slowly rise or stay stable.

Because there is a big influx of people looking for a new home and some of them don't feel this is it and move on.

What is Interesting about the graph is that the drop-off after Rexxit was much steeper and, despite the drops, the numbers don't go below the level they were before.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It used to be a much more significant decline, it seems to have leveled off mostly at 45k, so those who are left are pretty dedicated. I'm sure we'll get another influx if Reddit messes up badly again.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

~~if~~ when

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What counts as an active user? If you are a lurker do you still count as an active user?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You count as active if you post, comment or vote.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

If you vote, post or comment, you count as active user.

[–] Lost_My_Mind 26 points 2 months ago (15 children)

I've BEEN saying this for a while now. How Lemmy users need to welcome new people with interests that are different than their own. People from different generations than their own.

I've given ideas how to make starting an account easier. The concept of picking a home instance for someone who's never heard terms like "instance", "federated" or "decentralized" can be quite intimidating to start. And if you fuck up, and randomly choose the wrong instance? You have to start over. All your comment history gets left behind.

So people are going to choose the most active instance, trusting the idea that OTHER people know what they're doing.

I gave the idea that Lemmy needs to adopt standards across all instances so you can push a button and move your account. All your data would come with you.

Instead I was given a list of technical reasons why it would never work. The basis of these reasons came down to "it won't work because it would be a lot of work".

I hear a lot of people on here complain about corporate greed, and enshitification, but you gotta admit that they do get shit done.

In 2010 Steve Jobs was reviewing the new iphone prototype. Jobs said he wanted it slimmer, and wanted it airtight. The developers said it was pretty airtight, and there was no more room inside to make it slimmer.

Essentially telling Jobs that his demands were not going to be met because it would be a lot of work. So Jobs stood up, grabbed the prototype, walked to a fish tank, and dropped it in. It sank, and bubbles came out. Thus destroying it.

He said "See that? Bubbles. There's air inside, which means there's room inside. It also not airtight. Make it smaller, and make it airtight." Then he left the room. When it released to the public, the final design was smaller, and airtight.

Not saying it WON'T be hard work to make true account migration a reality, but it IS possible. The developers just figuratively need their prototype dunked in a metaphorical fish tank.

Because until this process is easier, and users are greeted with a friendlier userbase, people are just going to sign up, realize they fucked up, realize the experience isn't great, and leave. If they have access to reddit, they will leave.

It seems everytime I search for a topic all the results are from a year ago. Which suggests to me that reddit fucked up, users exploded here, gave it a chance, disliked it, and left.

Meanwhile, I point out just SOME of the glaring problems. But instead of embracing the problem and starting a think tank on how to fix it, my posts are instead turned into an echo chamber of how wrong I am. How the ideas will never work, and the problems presented persist to this day.

All because I'm thinking from the perspective of the normie 95%, and not the linux minded 5%. Which really places an artificial self installed glass ceiling on top of you.

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[–] masquenox 87 points 2 months ago (15 children)

It's amazing to me just how hassle-free it is to use Lemmy as opposed to reddit.

Rddit just feels like it's actively trying to get you to leave it.

[–] Agent641 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Reddit is like the late Roman Empire. It looks fine on the outside, but it's corrupt all the way down, powered by unpaid labor, and the lead pipes are slowly killing everyone.

[–] PugJesus 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, no, the pipes are fine (mostly). They have calcium buildup that prevents lead leeching.

The REAL major source of lead poisoning in the Empire is much stupider - knowingly making wine syrup in lead pots because the lead makes it taste sweeter. Despite knowing that lead is toxic af.

There's probably an apt comparison in that to Reddit as well.

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[–] lohky 73 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I migrated over to Lemmy a few weeks ago when the piece of shit Reddit app refused to load any posts but continued to load ads. I have found this community to be far more interactive, kind, and enjoyable to discuss pretty much anything with. I haven't found a reason to return to reddit at all.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I have found Lemmy the most interactive of all the social networks I am a part of. It is my main home now.

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[–] HootinNHollerin 17 points 2 months ago

I haven’t been to Reddit since the API debacle and don’t plan to

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I started using lemmy because of the reddit api fiasco and the platform really feels more alive now. Or maybe the bots got smarter.

[–] allidoislietomyself 25 points 2 months ago

I'm sure it's little of column A and a little of column 01000010

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As an AI language model, I fully agree with your last point.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I don't care about "number go up".
Lemmy now has enough users to provide plenty of content, and really interesting new communities I've never seen on that other website are starting to pop up.
It also has its own memes and culture already.

You don't have 1000 comments under every meme post, but the comments that are there are usually worth reading.
It's not a reddit replacement - it's much better.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One of the nice things about Lemmy is that you actually get replies under your posts/comments and it's not just repeating phrases to earn as much karma as possible. There's always a sweet spot of engagement in online communities and I feel like we're pretty close to where it begins. Other sites just make you feel like you're shouting into the void.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

tl;dr - We don't want the most users. We want the best users.

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[–] MapleEngineer 38 points 2 months ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I also was one of them. Still am, but also was

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[–] mayo 38 points 2 months ago

I feel like lemmy is in a decent place right now. The main page is busy enough with a good amount of OC and alright discussion. It's a lot to ask for 1000+ active niche communities. I have a few things that bug me and I'm not sure ballooning members would fix it: reddit-like anti-social behaviour, excessive reposts, and posts about MAGA people. I've blocked a lot of communities, some users, and very few nsfw instances.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Lemmy is one of the most harmful platforms I've ever been on.

Not even on Reddit have I spent so much time on here. Quality content and engaging conversations taking so much of my time and doomscrolling. I love you guys, keep it up.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I really hate graphs that start at 99% and top off at 100%

The gain is really next to nothing in the 2 months shown in this graph. It goes from ~1,456,000 to 1,468,000.... which is a 00.8% increase, less than 1%.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Are we sure it's counting 1.5 M users and not 1.5 M memes posted by picard, pug, and squid?

[–] PugJesus 44 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Just wouldn't want any newcomers to the history communities to up and think the place was dead! Lemmy cannot live on Linux alone 🙏

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Lemmy at first was Abit barren but I'm super happy with it now. Let's hope we don't see reddit collapse and the masses turn their attention here like the digg event

[–] Chill_Dan 25 points 2 months ago (6 children)

My biggest complaint is it's dominated by memes, and in a distant second is news, and that's kinda it. We need so much more diverse content still.

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[–] barsquid 17 points 2 months ago (9 children)

I hope Lemmy doesn't become overrun with reddit's far-right psychos after reddit collapses.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We can't stop them from using Lemmy either. They'll come.

But this time we can defederate from servers that tolerate intolerance.

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[–] mesamunefire 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The interesting thing to note is each website I go to that looks at the total number of lemmy users is wildly different. Im wondering if there is some sort of blocker/defederated instance occurred a couple of months ago? Im not sure.

Either way, number of users are up.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think counting fediverse users is about as difficult as counting e-mail adresses.

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[–] Old_Yharnam 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm a super happy new Lemmy user. Last week, I created an account on Reddit for the first time ever. I replied to 3 posts in a polite manner and right on topic (in a Linux-related community, someone asked for a book recommendation. The other two were answers to technical questions on Rust and Linux). A couple of hours later, I was reading about what shadowban meant. I waited a few days, sent some messages to admins / support but to no avail. Then I searched for alternatives to Reddit and landed here. It's been 4 days, and I absolutely love it here. Lemmy seems to have that spirit of the Internet of the 90s, which I thought was long gone. Also, my assumption is that Lemmy users are of a higher quality than those on Reddit. It's very easy to end up on Reddit / IG / Facebook / etc. On the other hand, to become a Lemmy user, one actually needs to apply some effort and do at least some research. Or to have a cool friend who can recommend becoming a user here (if you have a cool friend, that makes you kind of cool too, right?). I should probably start telling my friends about Lemmy 🤔

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[–] bouldering_barista 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Wogi 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"MORE!"
believe it or not also Kylo Ren

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

I like lemmy. I spend maybe an hour a day scrolling so enough content. i am happy there isnt more cuz i would spend more time here then.

Only thing missing is a lot of niches in all kind of categories, be that gaming specific subs or what the internet is rly made for.

[–] mesamunefire 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)
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[–] Gammelfisch 16 points 2 months ago

Thank you Lemmy. Reddit can go piss in the wind.

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