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I was interested when I heard it was going to be a musical.
I was turned off when I found it was just licensed music and would not have any original songs. Like... What's the point of making a musical if you're not gonna make new songs specifically for the story?
Ahhhh this is the first time hearing it isn't original music. I took for granted that a musical would have original songs.
It's not a new concept. They are called jukebox musicals. It works well for this story imho.
Worked for Moulin Rouge
The caveat there is Moulin Rouge was a musical to begin with and didn't have any prior expectations.
The point is Joker escaping into familiar songs to cope with reality.
Should've had the point as him escaping to the world of music and have original songs
If they can somehow fit pre-existing music into the film, it can be fun to see essentially several high budget musical clips of known songs at once and also a film. Bollywood can be good at this. That is clearly not the case with Joker 2, but if they had made psychological mad sequences with Bonnie and Clyde having killing and crime sprees with psychedelical metal music etc, it could work.
That's thoroughly disappointing to hear
Neither Phillips nor Phoenix was even sure about making a sequel and, for a time, contemplated putting on a Broadway show instead, before ultimately committing to the movie and bringing aboard Gaga in a role inspired by the comic book character Harley Quinn. The idea for the sequel came to Phoenix in a dream, and he and Phillips brought the idea to Emmerich, according to sources.
In the end, some are saying that Joker: Folie à Deux is a very expensive art film. But when asked who the intended audience was, one outside source sums it up this way: “For Joaquin.”
I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall:
I don't want to make a sequel movie to Joker.
Well wait until you hear this: Joaquin has had a dream...
Oh dear.
And they are going to pay you $20M each!
I'm listening.
Maybe Joaquin's dream was about him receiving a $20m check.
"I had a dream... of cheeky cash-grab"
Oh good Lord I saw your quote here and I thought they were talking about Roland Emmerich for a sec. That would have been wild if he was involved in this film.
I will throw down for emmerich the dude knows how to entertain
Is it high art? No. But jesus is it a spectacle.
In the end, some are saying that Joker: Folie à Deux is a very expensive art film.
Oh wow, that is exactly what I said to my friends as we left the theater
If only it weren't a musical
The musical aspect was the only reason I was even a little interested
It's enough to quash any curiosity I have about it. I wonder what the overall sentiment is for musicals.
Personally, I've always hated TV episodes that turn a non-musical show musical.
Yes, same for me, maybe with exceptions, for example Supernatural.
Great song but they just end it when it's supposed to be good!
Clone High, Buffy, and Mega64's musical episodes were all great top tier masterclasses.
I'm sure there are more I'm missing.
And Flight of the Conchords is a contender for best TV show of all time, IMHO.
That killed any interest I had in this franchise. The addition of Gaga solidified I wouldn't be watching this. One of the best psychological, low key dramas of the last decade, so let's make the sequel a musical and add a trendy pop star into it! Not to mention Gaga is an overrated, overproduced nepo baby. But that's just my opinion
Box office isn’t everything, not anymore. They’ll make it back in collectible trash they sell to incels
Are there enough incels who are willing to pay for Joker merch?
There's a whole online industry dedicated to making more incels, folks like Jordan Peterson. It's been depressingly effective.
Manufacturing weirdos that are disconnected from reality is straightforward, and the fascists are investing heavily in it because from there, they practically push themselves into voting against their own interests with hate, conspiracism, and memes. Steve Bannon has explicitly stated that this is a core tactic of his.
Interesting that it had no test screening. Would the movie have been savable with reshoots and re-edits?
Release the reddig33 Cut!
Only if they reshoot the entire film with another script, they practically did a Matrix 4 again, just because a minority of fans of the first film had bad takes they ruined what many normal people loved.
I liked it.
Same. It's not a bad film. It is a fairly logical progression from the first movie. I was actually surprised it wasn't more fantastical. There were several points where they could have escalated to a city wide musical caper, but they kept it grounded.
People spontaneously breaking into song isn't grounded
It's a conceit of the genre, it gets a pass.
Trying to explain why people are breaking into song doesn't ground it any more, and trying to make it "realistic" singing such as part of a stage show or rehearsals just weakens the strengths of the genre.
If they’d put in double stair kicks this would have made $2 billion.
Because they have money to burn?
WDB is deep in debt, taken on when they merged. So no they don’t have money to burn.
They spent less than they pay their ceo