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[–] [email protected] 143 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I was on a contract for the government when my company hired a really good DBA. He hated dressing up. He was introduced at a meeting and wore a polo shirt, which I thought was fairly professional.

Government contracting guy said to wear a tie.

Next meeting, he wore a tie around his polo shirt.

He was fired on the spot.

There are times I fucking hate the government and this was one of those times.

The guy was fucking amazing. But my company fired him because the government didn't want someone so sloppy on the team.

[–] [email protected] 122 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those same government agencies then turn around and hire my company to pull them out of the fire after they royally fuck everything up. We charge a fuck ton, will never go onsite, and they should consider themselves lucky if the engineer is wearing pants.

[–] affiliate 43 points 2 months ago (3 children)

no pants is okay so long as there’s a tie somewhere in the outfit

[–] thermal_shock 8 points 2 months ago

just not on a polo

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[–] stetech 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

sloppy

in actual work ethics as well or just in perceived social/office norms?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

Mostly the latter.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Honestly no database admin is anywhere near that level of "fuck you" influence in any organization. We are more talking about the guy whose name is on all the patents and who is putting together the tech demos which win the big money contracts.

[–] Anticorp 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This explains a lot about why government sites are such garbage.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Government sites are garbage for a lot of reasons, mostly due to old people not understanding how the Internet works and they'd rather build a camel than a horse.

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[–] CrazyLikeGollum 10 points 2 months ago

That's ridiculous. I've worked as a government contractor for almost 15 years and the most strict I've seen the dress code be is "no shorts, collared shirt required." Hell, at some sites I've worked the dress code has been basically "wear clothes."

I've been to meetings where the only people not wearing printed tee shirts were the military members who had to be in uniform.

[–] EnderMB 89 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've actually seen this go the other way before.

I met this dude from Serbia, I can't remember his name, but he was the friendliest guy you'd ever meet, and was probably about 7 foot tall.

One day our infra team was having an issue with a custom Spark cluster, and he was brought in to help. He came in a full suit that looked tailor made, like he'd just walked off the set of Suits, a suited Galdalf in a room of hobbits dressed in t-shirts around a foot or two smaller than him. He was in the room for two hours, and whatever he installed or ran for everything up and running again, with some extra time to help with some other tweaks.

He worked near my desk, so I asked him if he wanted to come for lunch. He declined because he was busy, so I asked if he wanted me to grab him something. His response "...Cherry Coke". Once he'd finished, he came over to us, and offered to take us out for food. He paid for everything, including a drink at a nearby whiskey bar he apparently goes to often. I asked him why he wore a suit, and his response was "I'm uncomfortable wearing loose clothes, and I like layered clothing that fits to my frame, so I always wear suits when I need to be comfortable". In many ways, for someone his size, I guess it made sense.

I miss him sometimes, because he'd always say "hello my British friend" every time he saw me nearby, even though we both lived in Britain, and he definitely knew my name. If I had to guess, the dude probably had a solid mil in stock, and was getting paid a solid £150k a year + more stock. He was definitely rich, because he could afford an apartment in central London near the office. Dude worked probably 60-80 hours a week though, and if asked he was on a plane to the US, India, wherever someone needed a freakishly tall suited guy to fix a data problem.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I was hoping this would turn into some nerdy erotica...

[–] JayleneSlide 87 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Pssh... This guy is chump change, maybe a senior engineer at best. You can tell by his footwear. The really highly paid engineers have Crocs with socks, if any footwear at all. 😆

[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If i see a man walking around in my office with a grey wizard beard and barefoot, I will auto assume it's the senior developer and not a homeless dude.

[–] TheFunkyMonk 79 points 2 months ago (2 children)

At my last job we had to visit the company financial office to work on their expensing software and the receptionist actually called security because they thought our lead developer was a homeless person who got into the building.

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[–] clif 14 points 2 months ago

I'm in this comment and I support it.

[–] Maalus 26 points 2 months ago

The really highly paid engineers don't show up to meetings, they call in via zoom from their home.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago (3 children)

There was a meeting a couple of years ago between my company's engineers and some NASA representatives. No one in my company really wears suits anymore and the NASA guys complained that it was "unprofessional" to not wear a tie when one of our leads went up to present in just a Tshirt and jeans. After hearing that, the lead went back to his desk and came back with a wooden joke tie hanging around his neck to continue. They stopped criticizing our apparel after that.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

I think talking about fashion when you should be talking about engineering is unprofessional. And probably done by someone who doesn't deserve to feed their family. "Why don't we have anything to eat daddy? I'm hungry!" "Because daddy likes clothes more than food, so he's not allowed to have a job ever again."

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm interested in knowing what this wooden joke tie looks like

[–] ZoopZeZoop 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A piece of wood that is roughly tie-shaped attached to a piece of string so the string can be tied around your neck.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago (8 children)

There's an interesting cultural difference that I've observed. My grandpa was a senior engineer and he was proud to dress immaculately. He went to work in a suit and he never wore less than business casual even when going to the beach. I don't think he owned any shirt that wasn't a button-up long-sleeve. I'm an engineer (with a different specialty) and I only wear a suit to job interviews. Generally when I'm at work I'm in jeans and a short-sleeved shirt.

I wonder if it's a matter of generations or countries or both. When and where my grandpa was young, a suit was very expensive and hierarchies were rigid.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think its generational. I even see the generational differences across my office. when meeting with our customers for formal meetings, the 35+ engineers are in a suit, or at least a blazer. The 20 somethings are wearing torn jeans and burkenstocks

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I think at the places where I've worked, torn jeans would be a little over the line in the office, although managers who said something about it would be perceived as stuffy. However, I would ask before wearing business casual to a meeting with clients. I would assume that a suit was expected and I think I would be in real trouble if I wore torn jeans.

But then again, I'm 35+ now. Do you work at a small startup?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Maybe this says more about me than anything else... But for me, I'd rather be judged by my work than appearance or credentials. The worse I can look in a corporate environment and still maintain a reputation of a great engineer the more authentic I feel my reputation is.

When I retire I aspire to be well respected by everyone in spite of looking like a category 5 dumpster fire.

[–] Anticorp 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm an engineer (with a different specialty) and I only wear a suit to job interviews.

I’m in a position that does interviews for software engineering. In my entire time working in this field I’ve seen one person wear a suit to an interview. It made them stand out all right, but not in a good way. We all wondered wtf was wrong with that guy after the interview.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Really? Isn't it normal to wear suits to interviews?

[–] Anticorp 8 points 2 months ago

Not in software and website development. It is very out of place.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I think it's 90% because of silicon valley and the tech industry. Software developers often make more than licensed engineers of other disciplines these days, so why would a young engineer model themselves after their professional body and older members instead of the disruptive adjacent industry?

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[–] Smoogs 44 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Adam sandler looks a bit tired these days

[–] aeronmelon 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was going to say Ben Affleck.

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[–] Cadeillac 12 points 2 months ago

This is Adam Sandler right? The other comments have me confused

[–] toynbee 9 points 2 months ago

He should be removed from his position as Prime Minister.

[–] Anticorp 8 points 2 months ago

He’s 58 years old, and isn’t known for his commitment to fitness. He looks pretty good for his age.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago

Principal engineer outfit...

[–] Nuke_the_whales 33 points 2 months ago (6 children)

He's dressing much nicer than he used to. At least his clothes fit. He used up wear basketball shorts and giant t shirts everywhere

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Sounds like business casual to me

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[–] AgentGrimstone 32 points 2 months ago

Someone who knows he has job security

[–] WhyFlip 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Adam Sandler looks great for his age.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

I would not have guessed 58 years old.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

I stopped dressing to "impress" after about 4 years in my field. The amount of crap I've fixed that was done by more tenured/"experienced" people is too much to count.

At this point, I'm wearing what's comfortable. If you don't like it, too bad. I'm here because you need me, not because I want to be.

I'm still paid fairly paltry amounts, so I dunno if I'm the "highest paid" person. Management certainly doesn't listen to me, but they keep signing the cheques. If you want to pay me to tell you about problems so you know about what you're refusing to do anything about, I'm okay with that. Your company, your decision.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Ours has a coffee stain.

[–] lunarul 12 points 2 months ago

In my experience working in a tech company, seeing someone not dressed like that is the oddity. You know they're from marketing or finance when you see them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Also applies to software developers.

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[–] Aceticon 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I once worked on a company that made IT Security products and was located close to a major technical university.

The guys that used to come in very much with that look (though it was sandals and white socks as footware) were all in their 60s, who worked both at that uni and had a side-gig in that company doing programming work in mainframes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Okay, I am the highest paid senior in my company, how should I look up?

[–] tty5 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You should connect remotely from a country with a better climate, preferably with a beach bar as the background.

If complimented on the background order a cocktail while staring at the camera to prove it's an actual beach bar and that you can

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