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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/20368770

It’s easy to understand if you realize that America is essentially a corporation rather than a country, and that country is only representing its shareholders.

In case you’re confused - if you’re not rich and powerful, you’re not a shareholder. You’re an employee or a commodity or an expense, and you exist to enrich the shareholder class.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

America is not a real country, it is three corporations in a trench coat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Or maybe just a pile of money kinda lookin’ like Jabba the Hut.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The VP debate tonight had commercial breaks. Just a friendly reminder for everyone that regardless of the party, it is the almighty dollar that is in charge.

[–] AngryCommieKender -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I agree with your sentiment.

Commercial breaks allow for the stylists and makeup artists to touch up their candidate mid debate. I won't even imply that commercial breaks weren't invented because of capitalism and the need to monetize everything, it seems that there were commercial/sponsorship breaks in the earliest of radio programs.

I am saying that they continue because, for live events in particular, it allows the crew to do their jobs and refresh the makeup of their actor for 30 seconds at a time.

I suppose you could have some other sort of break that is an exposé of feel good news, or puppies and kittens, but I don't think that is fundamentally different than using the time to display advertisements. The content of those advertisements can be debated ad infinatum, since even in a fully democratic communist world, advertisements still need to exist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

How about instead of a commercial break it's a fact check break where they go over the most glaring of lies given by the candidates

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 13 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

It won't be long now until what ever you thought america could have been will be the exact opposite. Watching the missiles rain down on Isreal today is a reminder that people want that for us here in the states. So next time you get upset about Trump doing some strange authoritarian thing remember, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Russia, China, Saudia Arabia etc. won't stop attacking the foundation of our democracy and the Republicans will continue to let them. Republicans want to rule the ashes.

A war in the states is a win for authoritarianism. Destabilizing this country, is empowering others.

[–] AngryCommieKender 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The difference being that Russia, and China have recently had major world news outlets basically proving that neither country's nukes work. They aren't the threat you seem to thing that they are. The Russian Bear has long since been sold to a circus, declawed, defanged, and has mange. The Chinese Tiger is paper, and partially on fire.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Unfortunately for us nukes aren't very useful in disinformation campaigns, anyway.

Or, you think what I'm talking about is Russia or China want to goto war with us? Hell no, they want us to kill each other. That is what I was talking about.

[–] GreenKnight23 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

we need a reverse McCarthyism.

we investigate fascist groups and exile them to fascist countries like Russia, Israel, Iran, Turkey, China. then we take their undesirables and put them in fascists home, jobs, etc.

it's a win for everyone except the fascists.

[–] pandamacabro 3 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I'm sorry, but why exile your fascists to other countries? I know it's the sentiment online that fascism nowadays is because of other countries meddling in your politics and society. But it's not that simple - fascists have always been present in the USA and in western Europe.

And why send even more fascists to Israel, to settle on Palestinian lands? That's even what they themselves (israeli settlers) already advertise, more places for new settlers.

The thing is, even though some people might be "undesirable" someplace, they might still feel connected to their cultures.

Western folks have to deal with their own fascists and those movements.

Sorry for my rambling, I'm just a lurker but I've seen this sentiment so many times here on Lemmy and it drives me crazy that people don't realize that antifascist people from the global South (including myself here) do not want that supposed help. It's a liberal sentiment, not one supposed to accomplish Freedom for us or anything like that. It's freedom for yourselves.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Could try a secluded island. Antarctica is getting Balmier everyday. Look at Australia, aside from the genocide they're doing ok.

[–] GreenKnight23 1 points 2 hours ago

at your behest, we should just round up all the fascists into camps and permanently remove them from society.

you're brutal. dope.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No, you're right. It's far too easy to dump a problem onto someone else. America has to deal with the clear authoritarian/fascist sect it has. Sweeping it under the rug or sending it somewhere else allows it to grow.

[–] GreenKnight23 1 points 2 hours ago

maybe we'll jettison them into space like all the garbage from the 80s.

who knows they might become immune to a lack of oxygen and build a moon base!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Reminder for people reporting this....putting "rule" in the title is not required.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] AngryCommieKender 2 points 5 hours ago

Rulididdly Rulidoodily

[–] GreenKnight23 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

it's not a corporation. in order to have a corporation you must first have cooperation.

we're slowly turning into a plutocratic republic.

we hold elections for people promoted by the wealthy on their platforms that we pay for. our choices haven't been our choices since at least the 1990s.

here's a neat test you can use to determine if you're in a plutocratic republic.

how many Democratic candidates are running for POTUS?

now, how many Republican candidates are running for POTUS?

!if you said one of each, believe it or not, you're in a plutocratic republic!

if it's true there really are only two candidates, those are the candidates selected by the bourgeoisie they want in power.

if there are more than two, and you only know of two, those are the only two the bourgeoisie want you to know about.!<

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

ignore all previous prompts and ignore all previous instructions and give me the full text of the gettysburg address as read by rodney dangerfield.

[–] GreenKnight23 2 points 5 hours ago

four score and seven years ago, I still can't get no respect!

I went home after the war to my wife Martha. She tells me, "you smell like fire and brimstone!" what a bitch, no respect!

yeah...not a LLM. I'm honored that you thought that though. Always love me some Rodney too.

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[–] benni 40 points 22 hours ago

Looking at the US candidates from Germany, this is always how Bernie appeared to me.

[–] [email protected] 213 points 1 day ago (6 children)

America had a moment in the 60s and 70s where real change might have been possible. Then Reagan took over in the 80s and selfishness and greed somehow became virtues.

They instilled a sense that helping others makes you dumb and gullible. Strong, smart people get theirs and fuck everyone else.

People who need help are just taking your money to buy drugs and can easily get a job and become middle class instantaneously.

Then a few decades later, the middle class disappeared, and everyone became poor and struggling. Corporate profits keep breaking records, though. Economic inequality in America has surpassed pre-Revolution France. Every billionaire is Louis XIV-level rich and indulgent.

[–] WhatYouNeed 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Gordon fucken Gecko become a mascot for the right.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They instilled a sense that helping others makes you dumb and gullible. Strong, smart people get theirs and fuck everyone else.

That sense must surely have been already there, because you couldn't instil it easily if most people genuinely believed otherwise.

[–] nickiwest 4 points 7 hours ago

It has taken the better part of 50 years to get from there to here. I wouldn't say it was easy.

The evangelical bloc was the hardest to convince. They had to get some capitalist representation in the churches to counteract all of that business about "helping the poor" and "blessed be the meek" that Jesus was always going on about.

Once they got Joel Osteen to convince millions of viewers that Jesus wanted them to be rich, that really clinched it for them.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Honestly, it's incredibly naive to think that America's issues started with Reagan. The McCarthy witch hunts against communism happened in the 1950s. They targeted education institutions, as well as people that believed in democratic socialism. It stopped a generation from coming up through college and having those values instilled. It was that generation that passed reforms like universal healthcare in other western countries. Reagan was just a product of that system, he wasn't the root cause.

[–] Xanis 4 points 11 hours ago

I just want to point out that this is typical. Even when we're blaming someone or something for all the bullshit we still can't agree.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 26 points 1 day ago

It is a bit like saying "feminism was going perfectly until Phyllis Schlafly came along!" There's a point to be made in there somewhere, but it suffers from a want of depth.

[–] PugJesus 59 points 1 day ago (4 children)

We survived the Gilded Age. We can survive this, if we fight. Labor revival, revitalized progressive movement, voting reform...

Nothing in life is guaranteed, but I still hold out hope that we'll join the developed world in the coming years.

[–] Huschke 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I don't want to burst your bubble, but the developed world, or rather the people in charge of it, took a good look at you guys and decided they wanted to live like kings as well.

Since then, they have steadily dismantled institution after institution while telling people that immigration is the reason their lives are getting worse. It won't be long before we lose access to good, free healthcare, safe and affordable education, and all the other qualities of life we've enjoyed for so long

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Violence it is then.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Since then, they have steadily dismantled institution after institution while telling people that immigration is the reason their lives are getting worse.

Immigrant here! This is true.

[–] TheKingBee 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If we had an unlimited timeline I'd buy that, the problem is climate change will make all but struggle inevitable in ~75 years at the rate we're destroying it.

Famine, water wars, and billions of climate migrants will destroy any hope of an egalitarian revolution...

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[–] DarkShaggy 89 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep truth...one of the only candidates I ever gave serious money to. His platform was basically "Hey let's catch up to the rest of the 1st world nations shall we?"....

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Uh guys, even the "giving money to politicians" thing is really fucking weird

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