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[–] njordomir 3 points 2 hours ago

As someone who has bought a fair number of smartwatches and fitness trackers and always over-researches every decision I make:

  • See the rest of the replies for info on cheap smart watches. They're basically a cereal box toy.
  • Depending on what you need, the MiBand or Amazfit bands had excellent battery life and there used to be 3rd party apps for your phone that did a much better job collecting and displaying your stats than Zepp or MiFit (the official apps) did. I miss my 1.5 month battery life. Its also possible to use gadget bridge so it's all 100% offline though I understand its still a bit more rudimentary than a corporate cloud-based solution. I remember the bands I got from them running $25-50 USD
  • Used Garmin devices or previous gen garmin devices can be had MUCH cheaper than list price on Amazon or so. I picked up a Fenix 6 a few years ago for less than half of the $600 list price. I love the lack of touchscreen because the button navigation is absurdly fast and no mistouches! This suits how I use a watch much better than trying to put a tiny a 2x2cm touchscreen on my wrist. These are fitness watches, but some have a few smart features. Depends on what you plan to use it for I guess.
  • If you are a nerd (a good thing) and want to contribute to a cool project, Pine Computers, which makes the pinebook, pinetab, pinephone, etc. makes a device called the pinetime that is basically a smartwatch that is open to the community's hacks and modifications. I haven't bought one because my biking depends on my Garmin stats, but I am tempted to grab one to mess with it.

None of these are fancy "smarts first" watches like an Apple Watch or an Android Watch. I found I needed less smarts than I thought as I usually carry my phone at all times anyway. It is nice to have the doorbell ring on my wrist and to reply to texts by choosing from a few pre-written responses while biking, or otherwise unavailable to text. If you really want a bunch of apps and integration with your phones OS, Apple and Android are the big two and its not really feasible to go 3rd party for the same experience.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Pros: Might look cool, is cheap.

Cons: Won't be very durable, the app for it will be shitty and closed-source(probably malware), the battery will probably suck, any vital sensors won't be accurate, the screen will probably suck, and it will probably have a bad UI.

In summary: Save up for a better watch.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Pro: Price, Convenience, Looks

Cons: Much like buying an "iPhone" from Temu, the price is usually reflected in the quality.

Don't get me wrong, there are cheep smart watches if you look for them or go second hand. But what you'll find advertised on Temu isn't it.

Build quality is usually the first to suffer, but you'll find mislabeled battery info a 500mah instead of the promised 1000mah. Or an LCD instead of an OLED.

But those are things we can adapt too. The biggest problem is software. That'll do and close enough has been the name of the game for years now. And sometimes "smart" just means it can (badly) track your steps and pretend to check your heart rate with a led pretending to be a sensor.


Alternative

If you are looking for any budget electronics try looking for last years or a few years ago models. I got a Garmin Forerunner 235 in 2022 for 1/5 of its asking price because I found a deal on eBay.

I'd also look into the landscape of the market you are buying into and seeing who is actually making these things, and what is running on it.

For smart watches I found the answer was

Apple

Android with Watch OS (Samsung google and many more)

Garmin

If the watch isn't running android watch os or is made by Apple or Garmin. Assume its good too be true and look into it more, or look elsewhere.

Good news China is lazy and one clone usually is made by many factories and someone else made a video about it. Might not be the same name, but it'll be close enough.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago

You'll be probably be happier with a higher quality watch than with one that barely works. I would not recommend going for an option because it's cheap, instead go for the one that's good enough for you needs.

No need to buy the same one as I did, but I have been very happy with my "not the cheapest, not the most expensive"-garmin watch for years. It is reliable, does what i need it to do and is not so expensive that i am afraid of breaking it for instance. I did need to make choices to be able to get it, i could not spend that money on other things, but that only made me feel better when I got it.

More on topic: it's easy to find accesoires/replacement parts for my watch, it's easier to get it repaired, both at garmin as well as a local shop, the software has a lot of integration option with other software (strava, komoot, etc.) and i can download apps and watch faces other people with the same watch built and i can be sure my alarm goes off in the morning. I don't expect the temu watch to have these things. For me it was worth to pay a bit more. Sidenote: I did get a screen protector for my watch from AliExpress, so apparently I'm not against that 😏

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Pro: it'll probably work well enough to get your notifications and maybe even your heart rate and stuff.

Con: it probably won't arrive. If it does, it probably won't look like in the pictures if it does, it probably won't work like described. If it does, it probably has done kind of cheep, toxic chemicals it'll leave in your arm. If it doesn't, it'll probably come with an app that drains your battery. If it doesn't, it probably sells your live location and notifications to data brokers. If it doesn't, it'll probably never receive software updates. If it does, it'll probably be broken by the end of the year.

There are actually a few relatively cheap smart watches that some people like to reprogram with open source firmware. You can get a Colmi P8 or a Kenboro K9 for less than $30 and flash WaspOS onto it. You have to get lucky and buy the right hardware revision but flashing new firmware onto those things can be as simple as downloading an app and loading a file into it. These devices are underpowered and software availability is limited, but at least with the open source stuff you can rest easy about your data not being sold.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. Don't buy anything on Temu if you about quality or human rights at all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

All the terrible quality and human rights violations also apply to any other Chinese shop as well as Amazon or whatever your local Amazon equivalent is. I've found the exact same shit sold on Temu in physical store shelves for those cost-saving stores. The entire supply chain is fucked.

I do order shit directly from China, but only if I need something specific like phone parts or electronics that I see "local" shops carry with the exact same photos, descriptions, and pictures, for twice or triple the price. I've fallen for that trick too many times, I'll go straight to the source now.

At least the Temu shit isn't as bad as buying chocolate or clothes…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

This! Some of my friends crap on Temu but have Amazon Prime and wind up buying the same stuff from Chinese manufacturers anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Yep. Go to flea markets and trift stores people.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago

IIRC Temu makes it business from super cheaply priced items.

Super cheaply priced generally means either super cheap quality or some really iffy labor rights violations* in third-world countries (I know that term isn't the term to use nowadays since it's a cold war relic but I can't think of a better term—lemme know if you know of one), usually both.

 


*Up to and including slave labor. (Yay capitalism!)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Cons: Ewaste and bad for the environment. Get something High quality used like on Facebook marketplace or a thrift store.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

Agreed. Getting something second-hand is almost always better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Isn't Facebook marketplace an awful place to buy things? The only people I know used it all got scammed.

USA: eBay
JP: Rakuten
NL: Marktplaats

There is probably a zillions better alternative in w/e country you are, if not online then flee markets or thrift stores

[–] lovely_reader 1 points 3 hours ago

Not awful. I've had only positive experiences. No buyer protections, but it's hard to get scammed buying something in person from someone local, unless you get it home before realizing it's fake/broken, or they kidnap you and lock you in their basement. There are pretty simple precautions you can take against either, not that there's any foolproof solution...but I wouldn't say awful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

The best advice is just to be cautious. Obviously don't send money before you get something and make sure it's functional. Facebook marketplace is a good place to find deals if you know to be safe.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It might or might not:

  • arrive
  • work
  • be genuine
  • be fit for purpose
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago
  • Give lead poisoning
  • Leak battery juice
  • Explode
[–] nobleshift 23 points 15 hours ago

You don't need it. Save your $.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I have some strict rules about buying things where I cannot verify the used materials:

Nothing that goes into my body
Nothing that goes on my body
Nothing that touches my food
Nothing my pets touch
Nothing that needs to be plugged in or charged

A smart watch violates multiple of those rules. I wouldn't want to risk it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Nothing that needs to be plugged in or charged

How are you using this site?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

where I cannot verify the used materials

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

I'm very much doubting you can verify everything in your computer/phone as even computer part manufacturers have difficulty tracing their supply chain, so good luck with that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

While I completely appreciate your perspective, I do have to ask: what with how interconnected, not to mention fucked up, the world is today, wouldn't pretty much everything violate at least two or three of those rules?

[–] Delphia 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I took that one to mean You know your Samsung S21 was made by Samsung. That suspiciously cheap "hoverboard" with the lithium ion battery was made... in china... somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

I figured they meant that as well. I'm just saying their rules may not be as hard and fast as they seem to be presenting them.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Pros: price

Cons: the watch doesn't work and now you have lead poisoning

[–] bhamlin 22 points 18 hours ago

Hey, you could be paying a lot more for lead poisoning of this strength.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Just buy a cheap Casio if that's your budget. It'll keep better time and is less likely to end up in a landfill

[–] robocall 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I have a casio phys and love it. It's about 10 years old and I never even had to change the battery!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Then why are you considering it at all. I just rediscovered my old W-213 still going strong. I readjusted the seconds to match the current time, and I love the beep sounds.

[–] robocall 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think smartwatches and wearable clocks are the same thing. I want some of the features that smartwatches offer. I find it inconvenient to use a cellphone while riding my bicycle. I think sending and receiving text messages from a wearable device would be more convenient while commuting on the bike. plus some of the health monitoring features interest me. Also with my job I may look more professional checking my watch in certain cases than pulling out my phone.

[–] njordomir 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

So I already responded, but I'm seeing here that you are also a cyclist! I have tried a number of watches over the years and Garmin is absolutely the gold standard for fitness focused smartwatches. Some of them, like mine, only have buttons, no touchscreen, which sounds bad, but is actually amazing. Sure I can only choose from prewritten SMS responses, but I can get there with a few button clicks while riding (even on gravel). With my touchscreen watches, I used to have to stop to reply. The TFT screens also look better in direct sunlight than an LCD or OLED. So now, whenever my wife texts "where are you?" I can send a "out riding, love you" with only a few clicks. I also send her my GPS location when I ride in the road so she can have some peace of mind. I hear Wahoo also released a watch, haven't heard much about it.

Cons are a weak app ecosystem and not quite as "smart" (meaning it is not as filled with tech gimmicks and an endless stream of notification chum). The stat analysis of your health data is best done via Garmin Connect app or even better, the desktop website. They let you download some of the reports as a CSV, but I've found that more often than that, the formatting and how the data is broken up in the csvs needs some work.

Do remember, while not a Google or an Apple, Garmin is still a big evil corporation trying to make money off chumps like you and me. You likely won't get these features and keep your privacy 100% intact

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 hours ago

Can't think of a single pro to having a smart watch tbh. That shit is so dumb.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Seems like asking for disappointment

if you want a decent cheap option, the wyze watch seemed okay

[–] njordomir 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Someone close to me had positive things to say about the Wyze watch as well. If apple and android are tier A, wyze is below that, but above all the F tier temu and amazon junk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 minutes ago

All of the wyze stuff seems to be decent, but not super premium.

The headphones are 85% as good as the Bose, but for $49

The scale is quite good, nothing even remotely off about that and it integrates with Fitbit just fine.

The Color smart bulbs have been solid. One of the wyze smart plugs lost its memory once and needed to be re-setup, but fine since.

The cameras all work great too, as long as you're comfortable with the fact that the video goes to some cloud location.

[–] a_new_sad_me 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

When smart watches were begining to be a thing, a friend of mine bought a smartwatch for like 5$ in Ali express. When I asked him how the watch is he said "I am surprised that even for this low price, they still managed to disappoint me"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago

I recall there being a LOT of those watches out that were "mobile data connected" for very cheap.

The catch? The mobile data radio was 2g, and those networks are all obsolete and gone now (I think)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

CMF watch, the old one, is a nice, cheap option, that works with Gadgetbridge, keeping your privacy intact.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Cheap but probably won't work I'm guessing?

If you really want a cheap smart watch there's a bunch of reliable ones worth looking into rather than getting something random on temu. I haven't tried the Pine Time but it looks good if you like fiddling with the tech.

If you can put up with Xiaomi they make a ton of different options. I used a Mi Band for a few years and it kinda did what I wanted it to do better than my current Wear OS watch does

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

Simpler question, why would you buy a Smart Watch?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

For me:

  • It tells time and is always correct, also during daylight saving season
  • It tells the weather forecast, I check it before leaving my house.
  • I like that the alarm wakes me up with vibration mode, but not my partner (yes I wear my watch at night, but around my ankle, pro-tip)
  • I like to easily read important notifications (I am quite strict in what it does show, so only texts from important people, my calendar and like bank notifications get through). Added benefit is that I don't get distracted with other stuff because I don't open my phone.
  • I often lose my phone, my watch is able to find it.
  • I use my watch to get simple navigation option when I go running/inline skating in an area I don't know yet. Works better than the phone because I don't have to hold the phone in my hand.
  • I set it up so my partner can see where I'm at. When I see a notification from them asking where I am I can easily (and safily) start the tracking without having to pull out my phone.
  • It tracks my heartrate, so I can do heartrate based training.

So is it really necessary? No obviously not, I will survive without it, but I do like it a lot and would miss it of it wasn't there. But that's how it is for me, that does not mean it will be the same for you.

[–] robocall 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I use my bicycle for commuting. I often forget to text my partner that I'm on my way home. It's smart to text them when I'm on my way home in case if I get hit by a car. I want to be able to quickly send a text while riding my bike. It is an inconvenience to do so with a phone.

But I also like the idea of having a pedometer, heart rate monitor.

[–] Tagger 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If you use Google maps you can share your location and set up alerts when you leave it aside in certain zones

[–] robocall 7 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

sometimes I want to get a pretzel after work without him knowing. need to figure that out before I share with him lol

[–] pdxfed 3 points 4 hours ago

Tim walz--level confession

[–] Tagger 5 points 10 hours ago

🤣 reasonable! got to protect cheeky snack time

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago

For me, hourly movement reminders and medication reminders without having to constantly keep my phone in my pocket has been a godsend. Keeping track of my heart rate (especially while asleep) has also been great for being more aware of when my PTSD symptoms are acting up. I’m also never going back to a sound based alarm instead of a vibrating one, no idea if regular watches have that now too or not.

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