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Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of the lower house of parliament and an ally of President Vladimir Putin, said a new bill would tackle the “ideology of childlessness.”

Russia’s fight against the West and its values has taken aim this week at an “ideology” that the Kremlin and its allies say threatens the country’s very foundations: people not wanting to have children.

Lawmakers have proposed a ban on “propaganda of conscious refusal to bear children,” Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of the lower house of parliament and an ally of President Vladimir Putin, said in a post on Telegram on Tuesday.

It is the latest effort by authorities to combat the demographic strain of falling birth rates, exacerbated by the war in Ukraine, which the Kremlin says could threaten the country’s long-term outlook. In July, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov called Russia’s declining birth rate “catastrophic for the future of the nation.”

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You know, I would bet there's tens of thousands of Russians that would be interested in having children if they didn't all have a case of unnecessary deadness. If only something could have been done to avoid that.

[–] Draghetta 27 points 2 months ago

But if you can’t send them to get gunned down in a foreign land, what is even the point of having more children? Do you hear yourself?

[–] barsquid 68 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Can we get the .ml crew in here to explain why this is actually good and freedom? Because I'm a little confused.

[–] phoneymouse 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Why does ml crew defend modern day Russia? Modern day Russia is not a communist country. I’m confused why any communist would defend the USSR in general, especially after Stalin took power. Makes no damn sense to me.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

Because they're supported, and 'west bad!!!'.

They support the hell out of chairman pooh as well, and he's one of the world's major billionaires according to the paradise papers.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

USA bad -> Russia good

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's because tankies aren't communists, they're authoritarians.

[–] Rakonat 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Come on, .ml, tell us how the west has fallen and Russia is the last true bastion of civilization and people's rights. We're waiting.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

found one

A commendable effort by Russia to discourage the promotion of human extinction.

The nation starting wars and extracting fossil fuels is soooo concerned with the extinction of humanity.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I too am curious what this has to do with socialism and how it is not simply campist brain rot.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

We're waitinggg...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago
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[–] grasshopper_mouse 62 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is what JD Vance wants for America

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

This, together with the wifebeater-law, is what Hexbears want for America

[–] AbidanYre 7 points 2 months ago

Under His eye.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

While fathering some sofas on the side

[–] jaggedrobotpubes 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Should we make a society that people want to bring a child into??

Nah lol

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

💡If we simply make it illegal to... not have children? No, that's not right. Not want to have children? No, impossible to enforce. Ah, it must be illegal to profess the lack of desire to have children. What a beautiful and simple law that will certainly address the root cause of falling birth rates.

[–] LEDZeppelin 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Uncle vlad needs meat for his glorious meat grinder

[–] ccunning 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How long ‘til this becomes a GOP plank?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

It already is, basically.

[–] irotsoma 23 points 2 months ago

Citizens stop having kids because they can't afford them, government fines them and makes rape, I mean traditional values, more acceptable instead of making rich people stop hoarding all the cash.

[–] expatriado 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

believe it or not, straight to jail

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago
[–] Bonesince1997 3 points 2 months ago

Fertility clinic

[–] Cris_Color 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

Does anyone know the strategic reason for right wing authoritarians prioritizing people having kids? Like project 2025 talks about it a bunch, but nothing totally clear cut comes to mind as to why. At least not that feels like it fully justifies how clearly important it is, and that isn't just me dismissing it as meaningless control or whatever. It feels strategically important

In this case it's clearly important militarily, but that's also not likely to help in the present conflict in Ukraine. It'll take a long time for those kids to grow up, but at least they'd help mitigate population loss

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

Traditional values used to subjugate women. That's really it. The same reason they hate abortion. Pregnancy and children are traditionally ways to control womem. "Keep em barefoot and pregnant" and so forth.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

More working class children means that there will be more people to exploit in the future. The size of the working class population is extremely important for the generation of wealth because they’re basically the only ones doing productive labour.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

They want to grow the population in order to have more workers and consumers. There's also a white nationalist component where they're afraid that white people will become a minority and they'll use this demographic power to agitate for more equality, which is basically oppression to those people (because if it was only about economic growth, they'd be pro migration).

[–] shaun 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Corporations need consumers (constant growth model). Military needs more living soldiers.

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[–] barsquid 10 points 2 months ago

The wealthy are running a massive pyramid scheme and need a constant influx of plebs to support the bottom tiers.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Obsession with control, including control over future generations

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Putler absolutely would send preteens to Ukraine if he started running out of adults.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

No idea what kind of level prioritising is meant, but all governments should provide benefits to children since any country needs their population to be healthy and not decline. You want young working able people to replace old population so that there are enough workers and taxpayers to keep country going.

[–] RichieRich 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Russia is like, “Sons! We need sons for the fatherland so that they can fight in the field against Ukraine!” How inhuman can Russia be?

[–] AnUnusualRelic 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I find it disturbing that they apparently expect that their 3 day operation will be ongoing two decades from now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

There’s always a new country to destroy and use it to blame the west.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 3 points 2 months ago

So I just did a quick analysis of war lengths after and including WWII, and given that this isn't my area of expertise, but they tend to run around 30 years on average. You either get out quickly or you're there for generations. Russia is losing troops at a rate that worries me and I'm on Ukraine's side of the war.

[–] 2pt_perversion 7 points 2 months ago

Keep making life shitty and it will happen all on its own anyway. Hell making it a law might Streisand Effect it.

Here's this one cool hack they don't want you to know about. Governments hate it!

[–] resetbypeer 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I hate headlines with the word could. Remind me when it has or is. I could become a billionaire but it's highly unlikely I will. Just like her fine or the arrest of Putin.

[–] TexasDrunk 22 points 2 months ago

I think there's a time between "This thing is possible I guess" and "you're already fucked" that I'd like to hear about things.

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