I know that the international ultra conservative movement wants to erase LBGTQ rights, but this is one I hadn’t considered. Chiseling away the rights of gay parents in order to jealously guard the “traditional” family is mean and stupid.
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There's a reason one of the five things prohibited under the UNs 1948 convention against genocide is the forcible transfer of children. This is a step down that same path.
As someone whose had a lesbian non-biological parent and a birther go to the court over our custody in Texas, I'm thankful the judge recognized my mom's legitimacy as our parent and gave her full custody. But it could have easily turned out differently simply because of the non-biological parent part, but at least her name was on our birth certificates and we had her last name from birth. Can't imagine it would have turned out the same otherwise despite the other person clearly being totally unfit to raise children.
The politicians acting like this isn't discrimination that acts against the interests of children are lying or ignorant of the downstream consequences.
Exactly. This is going to lead to taking children out of loving homes.
And that's by design.
So your argument is completely unqualified conjecture about what a judge might have done differently, given your presumed total lack of legal qualifications?
Having a non-biological parents recorded on a birth certificate is just about the farthest thing from a right. Quit the bullshit alarmism.
I guess Italy needs a reminder of what the rest of the world did to them the last time they chose Fascism.
Not like the rest of the world is that much better off
Your point?
Really unfortunate to see from Italy.
Isn't the whole point of a birth certificate that it records the birth parents?
Honestly I'm surprised it was ever allowed. A birth certificate should serve as a historical genealogical record and might be useful for tracking, for example, hereditary diseases like Huntington's. It's not much use if it's got an unrelated adoptive parent on it. Maybe there should be an additional field for legal caregiver when there's a difference.
What about if the father is an anonymous sperm donor? Why wouldn't you write the other mom's name in the birth certificate?
I would say it should still function as a genealogical record for a number of reasons, particularly as a useful medical record. If unknown, that should be specified - or include a reference to their anonymous medical records.
There could be another field for adoptive second parent at birth, if this is necessary. Otherwise I can see how it might cause problems for the adoptive parent in the event of a divorce. Although my understanding is this is already a formalised process, just different paperwork.
Although my understanding is this is already a formalised process, just different paperwork.
You'd be entirely correct in that understanding. Unfortunately the actual facts of the situation don't make for a convincing piece of propaganda about just how victimized people are.
At least to the extent of my knowledge, it's entirely acceptable to leave the spot empty if the father isn't known, or at least not made known to whoever is tasked with pushing the paperwork through.
What is it that makes you people consider having adoptive parents being able to be listed on birth certificates a massive problem to fight for?
You are frankly being disingenuous if you imply that the way law treats a birth certificate is as a genealogical record. That is simply not true, and so long as it is not true, arguments that that should be the criteria of being listed on the document are fallicious.
I never said it did. Doesn't justify your retarded position of just putting whoever on it.
The birth certificate is certifying the birth of a child, not their lineage of their parents. You are indeed attempting to use the document for something outside its scope.
Consider this: One from the couple is an egg donor, one is the surrogate.
Also, the point of the birth certificate is to record the existence of the child. This person exists, now they can be tracked (age, citizenship, etc), go to school, be taxed...
Consider this: One from the couple is an egg donor, one is the surrogate.
OK? What does that merit consideration for? Put down the parents, and fill out the usual slew of adoption paperwork.
The "birth mother" is adoptive to you in that situation? Or the egg donor?
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Maybe as a benchmark. How is it handled with adoption? Is that also not registered?
Good for Italy, they are stepping on the right direction.