Nah, this is the right amount of spice. We should back Harris, but we need to stay self-aware. Don't want to end up like the Republicans.
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And it's pretty funny
There's no such thing as "too spicy", there's just funny and not funny. This shit is funny
Someone called *LLMs spicy autocorrect, and that to me is the best use for spicy lol
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To be fair, the ACAB group didn't choose a cop/prosecutor... A cop/prosecutor was non-consensually forced on us.
The back the blue crowd actively chose a felon though.
A cop/prosecutor was non-consensually forced on us.
Fits their MO.
Even then, as a former ~~cop~~ state procecutor and district attorney/AG, positions which are well known to have an extensive supportive connection with police and cops that everyone knows operate in lockstep and are functionally 2 sides of the same coin, her voting record has been surprisingly comparatively progressive/left wing sometimes on par with Bernie.
She was also progressive as a DA too. She ran on the promise to never seek the death penalty, and she never did. She had a record number of cannabis prosecutions, but a substantially lower number of incarcerations for cannabia.
Her mother is an Indian American doctor, and her father is an Afro-Jamacain American professor of economics. She's lived in the East Coast, Chicago, California.
She's progressive. She plays by the rules but she's progressive.
We won't be disappointed.
Got a source for the lower number of incarcerations. I've been warming up to the idea of voting for Harris instead of against Trump and that would be another + for her.
You better believe I do:
'Conviction rate aside, only 45 people were sentenced to state prison for marijuana convictions during Harris’ seven years in office, compared with 135 people during Hallinan’s eight years, according to data from the state corrections department. That only includes individuals whose most serious conviction was for marijuana.'
That was a very enlightening read. Thank you for sharing.
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as a former cop
When was she a cop? Thought she was a (assistant ) district attorney and then AG.
People consider that part of the extended cop family.
Reason why its considered part of the family is because for every cop that does bad but nothing ever happens to them, you can thank the DA for that choice.
To add to this, high level prosecutors need the backing of the police to do their job well. Cops are the ones on the streets making arrests, collecting evidence, and enforcing the laws. If they don’t like a district attorney, they can look the other way and make it difficult for them to do their job.
In my opinion one of the big reasons so many cops aren’t prosecuted in this country is the prosecutors don’t want to lose their political will with the cops.
In San Francisco, cops refused to do their jobs until the progressive DA who promised to punish bad cops was forced out.
I'm guessing the "back the blue" folks only consider someone a cop if they're in the police union. Which is also funny because they tend to vastly support candidates that want to strip union rights
They also want to defund the IRS and other federal agencies, which exist to enforce laws. Once of the biggest CSAM busts in history was spearheaded by a single IRS agent and resulted in hundreds of arrests across the globe, including a border patrol agent. It ended with taking down a huge darknet website called "welcome to video."
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She literally called herself the "Top Cop" in multiple speeches.
Kamala Was a Cop. Black People Knew It First.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/12/kamala-was-a-cop-black-people-knew-it-first/
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I'm more using cop as a shorthand for "consistently on the side of the police and the State in the criminal justice system as a criminal prosecutor and district attorney" instead of "she was literally a uniformed officer"
IMHO, forced seems a bit harsh. The co-elected incumbent VP is historically the backup when something goes down with the President and you’re outside of an election cycle.
The primaries already happened, there is no time to print ballots, stand up polling stations, and get the public to vote before the Ohio roll call to get a candidate on the ballot. This would probably be impossible even if Biden dropped out on that debate stage.
The party / delegates are basically forced to pick someone, and using the precedent of a the VP being the fallback, this is probably the most democratic option. She was elected with Biden in 2020.
Even if Biden dropped out before the primary, Kamala would have had an incredible advantage over all other candidates. She very likely would have been the nominee.
There are things to get upset about. The most likely alternative taking over is not one of them.
One might note it's not so much historical tradition so much as literally their job.
Voting for an octogenarian with a VP means you don't really mind the VP becoming president.
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The ACAB people have never been opposed to laws or prosecution of criminals. The problem is that the cops and their powerful friends tend to be immune to those laws.
It's certainly true that some laws and some sentencing ranges are unjust, but that's different from saying that laws themselves ought not exist. And although we've seen several high profile cases recently where prosecutors are clearly dirty as hell, that's probably less common than the dirtiness ratio among the pigs.
Also, ACAB doesn't mean there are no good cops. Just that even the good cops are sullied by being a part of an organization that promotes and protects those who commit terrible crimes. Sort of like, "Even the really good ones are sort of bad."
Good cops get chased out.
Good cops who stay end up getting silenced or killed.
Until you cut the rot, ACAB.
You're both saying pretty much the same thing. ACAB isn't really about the people, it's about the system that's set up to promote abuse of power and suppress those trying to do good. Cutting the rot won't solve the problem because there will always be more rot. What's needed is complete reform.
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"A rotten apple quickly infects its neighbor", the 1130s version of the famous proverb.
It also suggests the solution: remove the bad apples before they can spoil the bunch. But, bad cops are protected, and as a result the whole institution is rotten.
Also, if you end up with a whole box full of rotten apples, the only solution is to throw it away and start fresh. Police reform processes almost never do that. They try to keep most of the cops, even the supervisors, in their jobs. Then try to fix it with extra training, or outside supervision or something.
There should be laws, and if there are laws there's a need for law enforcement. But, other countries around the world have managed to do that in a way where their law enforcers are properly supervised. They've found a way to have specialized units that deal with violent crime or organized crime, so that the rest of the law enforcers don't have to walk around with a life-or-death mindset. Most importantly, they have a culture that a police officer is a public servant whose main job is to help people in very stressful situations. In the US the culture is that every person you encounter is potentially going to kill you, so you and your brothers need to approach every situation as though your life is on the line.
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This is too broad an interpretation of ACAB. The concept is specifically about policing and takes no stance on the concept of law. That's a consideration seated in political theory. No movement is a monolith. Progressive liberals, socialists, and anarchists alike share ACAB in common but have differing views on laws/enforcement/justice system.
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Prosecutor ≠ Cop
Yea, seems weird to me to call a prosecutor a cop. I don't understand why people seem to be equating the two. Maybe I'm just ignorant on how that works.
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I really thought America had jumped the shark, but the trailer for this season looks fucking wild. The writers really pulled out all the stops.
are you kidding? it seemed like they were just retreading the same exact plot points of last season, everyone said they got lazy and BAM plot twist actually a black and Indian living woman instead of a white corpse... the ratings are surging right now
It's normal they go wild. It's the final season after all.
I've heard rumors of a spin off/crossover with "The handmaid's Tale". Current narrative seems to fit
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I don't think its too spicy, I just think it isn't very smart or strategic.
The ACAB crowd obviously doesn't love Harris precisely because she's a cop, but as Transient Punk pointed out, the ACAB crowd didn't choose Harris and don't represent most of the Democratic party, who skew right-wing. (Whereas the back-the-blue types overlap much more with uncritical enthusiasm for Trump, who they see as an innocent man who has been wrongfully convicted by a corrupt and politically motivated justice system.)
The Democratic coalition made up of progressive, leftists, and more right-wing liberals holds together by pragmatically overlooking these divisions and cooperating against the even-further-right, and this meme sows division right before a major election where Democrats are divided (e.g. over Israel) and having a hard time unifying.
In that sense this meme will get a reaction, but again not because it is spicy but because it is divisive.
that was articulated well. it's accurate but will still draw scepticism.
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There's right wing misinformation going around that Kamala Harris prosecuted over 1900 cases of misdemeanor drug possession charges during her seven years as a DA - sending those people to jail.
THIS IS NOT TRUE!
she oversaw roughly that many cases, but ONLY 45 saw jail time, and since 2018 she's been a campaigner against the laws that jail people for minor possession charges. Convictions for such crimes drastically dropped during her time there.
I know the left always complains that the right don't check sources - but frankly no one does. So do better, and do basic research before spreading any information thoughtlessly. GET THE FACTS!
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/11/kamala-harris-prosecuting-marijuana-cases/
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How is she a "cop" if she was a prosecutor? They're not even in the same branch of government. Police is executive branch, a prosecutor is judicial branch.
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"cop/prosecutor"
Or as most people say, "prosecutor"
lmaooo too funny. And too real
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