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[–] cbarrick 35 points 1 month ago

The one graph:

Since January, Trump has gained support among Republicans while Biden has lost support among Democrats, especially after the debate

[–] DevCat 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Now that the media has gotten what they manufactured, they need to show why they were right all along.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 14 points 1 month ago

I don’t disagree, but I do think Biden wasn’t going to make it four more years of grinding Presidenting. He does seem like it’s best if he can relax a little.

2020 Biden was more than enough. Time is a b*tch.

[–] Thrashy 6 points 1 month ago

I think that's giving the media too much credit. The day of the debate I was honestly feeling optimistic -- All Biden really needed to do was talk sense and dunk on the guy who'd just become the first Presidential candidate to also become a convicted felon, and the rules had been set to cut Trump off at the knees by muting his mic when it wasn't his turn to talk. The night should have been a cake walk, but instead Biden came off like a tired and confused old man.

The level of despair I felt the next morning cannot be understated -- I even started to lay the groundwork to emigrate out of the US if necessary. Having Biden step aside and make way for someone more able to fight Trump is a desperately-needed breath of fresh air.

[–] Questy 3 points 1 month ago

While there obviously are narratives in media, the Biden situation is very interesting to me. Biden is an 81 year-old man. The job he was in the running for is high stress and very important. The media reported on the obvious and completely understandable concerns that voters and politicians had with his candidacy. Given the enormous stakes for countries like mine, outside but influenced by the US, our media also reported on the very real confusion and concern that our citizens had. Trying to say it is some kind of hit job seems to massively oversimplify things.

[–] Rapidcreek 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nobody survives a hockey stick drop like that.

[–] Pronell 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think most of that drop was panic, but it became sustained because of the media narrative.

Regardless, I'm on board with replacing him, especially if it drives voter engagement.

[–] FlexibleToast 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It became sustained because he sustained it. If Biden wanted to show his mental acuity, he should have done some unscripted town halls. Instead, he fumbled a series of softball interviews. He knew he couldn't do a town hall.

[–] dhork 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're getting down voted, but you're absolutely correct. That debate was a disaster, and he did not do much to reassure people afterwards that it was a fluke. The home stretch of the election would have simply been clips of Joe talking about how he beat Medicare.

[–] FlexibleToast 5 points 1 month ago

And Trump had a few fantastic rebuttals that were handed to him on a silver platter. The "you beat it to death" and the "I'm don't know what he said at the end, and I don't think he does either." Those were the moments you knew that Biden had lost it.

[–] dogsnest 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

He was expected to "whomp, whomp" Trump in the debate, and it failed so spectacularly there was no way to recover.
Doesn't matter if "a ~~cold, time zones, fatigue~~ et al, were the reasons - the massive fail resulted in only one option.

[–] FlexibleToast 3 points 1 month ago

Time zones was such a bullshit excuse. He had been back for two weeks at that point. It was just one of the obvious lies they were trying to gaslight us with.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres 9 points 1 month ago

I’m not super into Biden or anything but The NY Times committing its entire front page and opinion section to one story has really made me cynical about The NY Times.