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[โ€“] VelvetStorm 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The sun is constantly exploding.

[โ€“] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] ma11en 11 points 4 months ago
[โ€“] NickwithaC 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Society actually is natural. Humans are social animals.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY AND ITS FUTURE

Introduction

  1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in "advanced" countries.

  2. The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.

  3. If the system breaks down the consequences will still be very painful. But the bigger the system grows the more disastrous the results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had best break down sooner rather than later.

  4. We therefore advocate a revolution against the industrial system. This revolution may or may not make use of violence; it may be sudden or it may be a relatively gradual process spanning a few decades. We can't predict any of that. But we do outline in a very general way the measures that those who hate the industrial system should take in order to prepare the way for a revolution against that form of society. This is not to be a POLITICAL revolution. Its object will be to overthrow not governments but the economic and technological basis of the present society.

  5. In this article we give attention to only some of the negative developments that have grown out of the industrial-technological system. Other such developments we mention only briefly or ignore altogether. This does not mean that we regard these other developments as unimportant. For practical reasons we have to confine our discussion to areas that have received insufficient public attention or in which we have something new to say. For example, since there are well-developed environmental and wilderness movements, we have written very little about environmental degradation or the destruction of wild nature, even though we consider these to be highly important.

[โ€“] DarthFrodo 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
  1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering

I don't know, life before the industrial revolution was pretty shit for regular people too.

I'd rather not have to worry about my family (and friends) starving to death during the next famine. 40-60% of children in medival europe died before adulthood. I can't even imagine the psychological suffering caused by this alone. Then there was frequent war and disease outbreaks, basically no healthcare, and so on...

I'm not saying that everything's great nowadays, we urgently need to fix many issues. But many things were way, way worse before modern civilization.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

lol you're arguing with the unabombers manifesto btw

[โ€“] DarthFrodo 2 points 4 months ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

How do you realize that everything is fake and still commit to the "post before you leave" rule? I'm way ahead of you

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

How the fuck is any of this supposed to help me?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

In the words of my guru; fuck it

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately the sun won't explode