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[–] [email protected] 111 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I feel like Stewart was directly voicing the concerns I’ve had over Biden for basically his entire term. He just doesn’t seem to get it that the fascists are playing for keeps.

[–] disguy_ovahea 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I also like that he’s grounded in his suggestion of opening up the conversation, rather than immediately calling for Biden to step down. The DNC should’ve started poll testing alternates immediately after the debate. There needs to be an informed plan for an alternate. Calling for Biden to withdraw with a four month runway, without a more popular and independently funded candidate is reactionary and reckless.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

To be fair, the fascists make it very hard to take them seriously. I can see why an elderly lifelong politician doesn't understand the threat. Most days I wake up and don't understand how it's come to this.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's pretty clear that Biden should've stepped down as soon as COVID 'ended' and he passed his big infrastructure/climate bill.

He'd have been a modern Cincinnatus, and would have given Harris the best opportunity to make her case to the voters.

[–] mlg 40 points 5 months ago

If he chose an actual VP people wanted, it would have worked.

Harris has an even worse chance of winning considering no one wanted her in the primaries.

[–] madcaesar 39 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Harris SUCKS and she would have lost worse than Hillary. She was always an awful VP which is part of our predicament.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 48 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Biden is open game until the convention. After that it is time to circle the wagons.

[–] TokenBoomer 26 points 5 months ago
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[–] cabron_offsets 47 points 5 months ago (16 children)

Biden needs to fuck off. He’s going to lose us the Republic.

[–] maniii 64 points 5 months ago (5 children)

You see it. I see it. Jon Stewart sees it since forever.

The shills on Lemmy and other places like gaslighting. A lot.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Honestly, I hate the situation, but I haven’t heard any compelling arguments for alternatives.

By compelling, I don’t mean appealing. I’d love for any number of other candidates to just swap in. But because the U.S. got “Weekend at Bernie’d”, and primaries were held (with no realistic opposition candidates), or cancelled in the case of Florida and Delaware, and the dates for holding a primary have passed in every state, I just… don’t see how another candidate can be swapped in.*

And I know that John Stewart specifically called out other nations who were able to call entire elections within a few months, but the U.S. electoral system just doesn’t ‘do’ that. The focus on states rights means that every state has its own laws that are fairly rigid and cannot be overridden by the federal government. And even if the states could be overridden - well, I guess I don’t know if it’s possible for the federal government to do that.
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of that suggestion as being even a remote possibility. I’m left with the belief that it is not legally permissible.

In fact - the Heritage Foundation said they would mount legal challenges to prevent this from occurring - but only in certain states. It’s very likely those challenges could not be resolved before the election, which would lead to at least two Democratic Party candidates, and certain defeat for both of them. The only way that Biden could drop out is if the states that have laws prohibiting candidate changes repeal or modify them, and that itself might be the subject of lawsuits.

*The only way I see for Biden to drop out and not ensure certain defeat is to die. That’s the only path I can think of that’s workable.

If I truly believe that Trump will end democracy and I must do everything I can to prevent his election - even if it compromises my better judgment and morals, and I know that Biden will not use the powers he was just granted to ensure that Trump is brought to justice before he can assume dictatorial powers, then… well, what’s the option but to be a shill? That’s not a rhetorical question. I legitimately feel trapped and hopeless by this shitty system, and I cannot see a way out.
I feel like I’m damned if I do, and damned if I don’t.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (7 children)

The only state which was a risk was Ohio, which already amended its rule for this year to allow the selection after the dem convention. There is no legal problem here, the dems simply need to choose a new candidate at their convention.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The gaslighting is really pervasive, and most troubling. This is not the way to combat the fascists with their “alternative facts.”

Biden built his career on being a Republican basically - he was known as the Senator of “bipartisan compromise” who would always rush to give republicans whatever they wanted. Putting heads in the sand and pretending that we have to roll with Republican-lite to defeat a fascist uprising just seems incredibly foolish to me. Or pretending that Biden is even sound of mind anymore, for that matter. People don’t seem willing to have an honest conversation about anything anymore. Very unhealthy democracy right now.

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[–] simplejack 17 points 5 months ago (13 children)

IMHO, calling people shills is just going to make people defensive and not listen to reasonable arguments.

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[–] demizerone 35 points 5 months ago

When politicians and their families taste power they can't let it go.

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[–] return2ozma 44 points 5 months ago

The video:

Jon Stewart Examines Biden’s Future Amidst Calls For Him to Drop Out https://youtu.be/S9LZXheHddI

[–] jpreston2005 20 points 5 months ago

Yeah, sorry, all of this shit has been on full display since day one. We always knew he was a senile career politician invested in maintaining the status quo. What, you think all of us who were genuinely excited about Bernie Sanders didn't all fucking see this? Like the DNC isn't a corrupt organization? EVERYONE KNEW THIS. What, now that we're facing this fascist existential threat is when you wanna bring it up?

Hey guys I know that the demon king showed up out of the portal to hell, and we placed all of our faith and hope in defeating him with this aging warrior, but how about right before he goes into battle we ridicule and taunt him? Especially since the power that the warrior has is derived from those that support him, let's just make sure that after the corrupt org forces this dumbass fucking "solution" onto us, and makes us all realize that him losing means we end up speed-running a fascist dictatorship, let's just make sure to shoot our warrior in both kneecaps right before his big fight. Can we do that? Can we just place all of our hopes and dreams into this one vessel and then fucking shoot it because for some reason NOW neo-liberals are just waking up to what everyone else has known SINCE DAY FUCKING ONE!?

The time for this was before the South Carolina primary in 2016 and 2020. Not now. No, 4 months isn't enough fucking time. Every moron who forced Biden down our throats deserves the next 4 months of pant-shitting nightmares because this is their fucking fault. But anyone saying this bullshit now is just trying to score points like this is a fucking game. It's not. It's our lives and the future of our fucking planet. just vote for progressives, and when you can't vote for the democrat.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] nutsack 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

thank you Jon Stewart please come to my house

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