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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

literally the least efficient in terms of cost and time.

battery backed renewables are a fraction of the price and are being deployed right now.

https://www.csiro.au/en/research/technology-space/energy/GenCost

edit: the tech is cool as hell. go nuts on research reactors. nuclear medicine has saved my sisters life twice.... but i'm sorry, its just not a sane solution to the climate crisis.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

Thats not even funny. It's not even a meme. It's just straight outright corporate propaganda. F off with that, Pinkerton!

[–] udon 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

After nuclear accidents, you get to make anime without shame.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Deep level irony that you used a Simpsons meme, which takes place in a city that suffers from a Nuclear Power Plant that doesn't dispose of nuclear waste properly.

Every form of energy generation is problematic in the hands of capital. Security measures can and are often considered unnecessary expense. And even assuming that they will respect all safety standards, we still have the problem of fuel: France, for example, was only able to supply its plants at a cheap cost because of colonialism in Africa. Therefore, nuclear energy potentially has the same geopolitical problems as oil, in addition to the particular ones: dual technology that can and is applied in the military, not necessarily but mainly atomic bombs.

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Also, I thought memes were supposed to be funny...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I'd tend to agree on that. Even beyond the security issues, nuclear has the potential to be a safe, but it also has the potential to be disastrous if mis-managed.

We see plenty of issues like this already, including what occurred here: https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-plants/fukushima-daiichi-accident

Now imagine a plant in Texas, where power companies response to winter outages has basically been "sucks to be you, winterizing is too costly".

Or maybe we'd like to go with a long-time trusted company, who totally wouldn't throw away safety and their reputation for a few extra bucks. Boeing comes to mind.

I like nuclear as a power source, but the absolutely needs to be immutable rules in place to ensure it is properly managed and that anyone attempting to cut corners to save costs gets slapped down immediately. Corporate culture in North America seems to indicate otherwise.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Simpsons shows it's safe and efficient 😅

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One of the saddest bits of the show was when they kinda just gave up talking about socio-economic issues and made the whole show revolve around Homer being a big dumb-dumb.

Some of the harshest criticism they had around nuclear power revolved around its privatization and profitization. A bunch of those early episodes amounted to people asking for reasonable and beneficial changes to how the plant was run, then having to fight tooth and nail with the company boss for even moderate reform.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dental plan! Lisa needs braces.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 1 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

I would rather see more investment on better renewable tech then relaying on biohazard.

You would be surprised to know the amount of scientific research with actual solutions that aren't applied cause goes against the fossil fuel companies and whatnot. Due to the fact that they have market monopoly.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (8 children)

lol nuclear is really uneconommical, way too expensive and therefore really inefficient. You need 10-20 years to build a plant for energy 3 times more expensive than wind. For plants that still require mining. That produce waste we cannot store and still cannot reuse (except for one small test plant). For plants that no insurance company want to insure and energy companies dont like to build without huge government subsidies.

I know lemmy and reddit have a hard on for nuclear energy because people who dont know anything about it think its cool. But this post is ridiculous even for lemmy standards.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Renewables are better, cheaper and more scalable. Its not even close. Look at Denmark for how it can be done.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I'm sure nuclear can be super safe and efficient. The science is legit.

The problem is, at some point something critical to the operation of that plant is going to break. Could be 10 years, could be 10 days. It's inevitable.

When that happens, the owner of that plant has to make a decision to either:

  1. Shut down to make the necessary repairs and lose billions of dollars a minute.
  2. Pretend like it's not that big of a deal. Stall. Get a second opinion. Fire/harass anyone who brings it up. Consider selling to make it someone else's problem. And finally, surprise pikachu face when something bad happens.

In our current society, I don't have to guess which option the owner is going to choose.

Additionally, we live in a golden age of deregulation and weaponized incompetence. If a disaster did happen, the response isn't going to be like Chernobyl where they evacuate us and quarantine the site for hundreds of years until its safe to return. It'll be like the response to the pandemic we all just lived through. Or the response to the water crisis in Flint Michigan. Or the train derailment in East Palestine.

Considering the fallout of previous disasters, I think it's fair to say that until we solve both of those problems, we should stay far away from nuclear power. We're just not ready for it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

French here . when a plan has a problem we just shut it down repair and it re work

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[–] then_three_more 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (21 children)

Just because it's safe doesn't mean it's the best we have right now.

  • It's massively expensive to set up
  • It's massively expensive to decommission at end of life
  • Almost half of the fuel you need to run them comes from a country dangerously close to Russia. (This one is slightly less of a thing now that Russia has bogged itself down in Ukraine)
  • It takes a long time to set up.
  • It has an image problem.

A combination of solar, wind, wave, tidal, more traditional hydro and geothermal (most of the cost with this is digging the holes. We've got a lot of deep old mines that can be repurposed) can easily be built to over capacity and or alongside adequate storage is the best solution in the here and now.

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[–] jose1324 43 points 2 days ago

It's definitely not the best we have

[–] Avialle 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Nuclear lobby really tries to sell us to the fact, that it's better to have control over power by a few big players. Must be terrifying to think about people creating their own power eventually.

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