Man, if I still lived in an EU country and the government pulled this shit I’d be making the most of that sweet freedom-of-movement. Way to drive all the skills out of your economy.
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That's exactly what tens if not hundreds of thousands of young Greeks have done in the last 15 years.
Greece has a brain drain problem. This ridiculous measure is actually sold by the government as an attempt to address the shortage of certain skilled worker categories. By ... incentivizing the few that are left to pack up and leave. In practice, it's just class warfare.
The Greek ruling class is a bunch of grifters, landlords, smugglers and gangsters (always have been, since 1830) and they are basically betting on a "recovery" based on cheap labour.
Legitimate question: aren't there barriers / hurdles to permanent residency still?
A good example of how this is not the case is the UK and Dentists. When Brexit hit and they left the EU (picture if the right in the US had their immigration way), a ton of immigrant Dentists had to leave. It was easy to stay before because of the EU. Now there is a huge shortage of dentists. Surprise surprise.
The barriers are your skills and language. Other than that, no.
Edit: some people move without permanent residency anyway. It has its' drawbacks.
Got it, that's all I meant. I thought there were requirements, it's not just "pack our bags, we're moving to Germany tomorrow"
If you can afford it, yes you can do this. You are allowed to live and work anywhere in the EU.
But if you also need a job to feed you, its more difficult if you do not speak the local language and have not learned something useful.
But from the residency law you absolutely can pack your bag and move to Germany tomorrow as an EU citizen.
I've literally done that inside the EU, though to the UK (back before Brexit) rather than Germany - I flew to London and stayed about a month in a hotel whilst looking for a contract there (I'm a freelancer) and more permanent accommodation.
Years later I did the same to Germany, though I only stayed 3 months.
The only requirement is that you either have a job or have the money to pay for the costs of living there (so you can still go without a job, as long as you have the money to pay for a place to stay, food and so on). The reason for the requirement that you can pay your way (either from a job or savings) is because people can't just move to another EU country to do things like living on the street and begging or living of the local Social Security.
Some countries also have a requirement that you register after 3 months there (for example, Germany), though it's not any kind of applying to stay, it's simply registering as living there. This is usually because there are associated obligations for residents in that country, not just in terms were do you pay tax, but in some countries (for example, Germany and The Netherlands) there are things like mandatory health insurance.
In practice as an EU citizen, if you have the savings or the kind of job which you can do in 3 month stints or remotely, you absolutely can hop from country to country every 3 months without having to register with anybody (though I'm not sure how taxes would work - I suppose you would pay them in the last country you registered as a Resident).
If you know the language, if it weren't for taxes being per country and the rights and duties of Residents being different in different countries (such as the Mandatory Health Insurance for Residents in some countries but not others) hence the requirement to register after 3 months in some countries, the whole thing would be as easy as moving within your own country.
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Grease is fucked
Honestly, I always thought it was overrated. Some catchy music, sure, but I don't think it really holds up otherwise. Maybe the play was better?
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Greece has some port big problems financially that are not going away any time soon. It needs change, it needs exports
Noo that's the wrong direction
Capitalism 📈 (the line is both profit and human suffering)
Plot twist: They are one and the same.
The thing is in this case, it's only human suffering. People don't actually work nonstop all week. Giving them fewer hours over four days means they're more productive for those days because they're not dragging out their work to fill the arbitrary 40 hours they have to work for. So companies pay workers the same, but can save money in amenities and office space or whatever by using it less AND have more productive workers. Longer work weeks don't actually make companies more money (oversimplifying and speaking broadly).
Greece re-introduces the 6 day work week... It used to be the standard. Y'know, in the 18th fucking century
And the 19th, and a large part of the 20th too
Greek employers cannot find the staff they need. Greek coastguard pushes migrants off boats into the sea.
in my shithole country we have %30 unemployment and 6-day work week. Also it's all slave wages regardless of your degree or experience. It's a corrupt shithole system that enables itself to keep on staying shit by exploiting poor people and getting the rich richer.
Um, you're describing Greece plus or minus some unemployment percentage points.
Those migrants aren't staying in Greece, they want to go somewhere with an actual economy
If that were the case, why would the Greek coastguard give a shit?
Maybe the cruelty is the point?
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Greek companies wonder why "nobody wants to work anymore."
This is a false dichotomy. Employers can't find the staff they need at the wages they are willing to pay. Immigrants are the scapegoat, not the solution.
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employers are permitted to require staff to work up to two unpaid hours per day for a limited period in return for more free time.
Wow.
I hope this is at least banking that time; you don't get overtime, but you can use that time later for paid time off.
Still sucks that it could be mandatory. I work in a government job in Australia and we have "Flexible Hours" which means that any time worked under or over the standard 7:30hrs per day counts towards a flex balance. Then we can use the excess flex balance to then taking shorter days or even take a couple days off if we have the balance for it. It works wonders for staff morale and retention.
Same boat mate - Aussie govt employee myself who has access to flex. Personally I felt it was better when I was working for an NGO and they always gave me the choice between being paid overtime or banking it to flex later. It was nice to get the extra cash when I needed it and extra leave when the time came too. That should be the standard the employee should have the choice between OT or extra leave.
I hope so too, that has to be a very difficult situation for working parents to navigate.
Well that’s some backwards bullshit.
I mean how does the government regulate this even?
If I was a skilled worker, I'd tell the company I work 5 days or I don't work for you ..
Starvation and homelessness are quite powerful motivators.
neoliberalism in its essence
Thanks I hate it.
Greek Brain Drain incoming.
Better than South Korea's 69 hour work week
No wonder they're not having children if they spend all their time 69ing
That's even worse than China's 69 (six days, nine hours).
996 is the concept out of the Chinese tech industry I'm familiar with - from 9 to 9, 6 days a week, totalling 72 hours worked per week.
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Greece had been effed since the austerity economics were placed on them due to the great big financial crisis where boys were declared to be too big to fail. Remember only regular working people are allowed to fail.
Can they don't
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