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[–] FuglyDuck 107 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They didn’t notice that in ‘16?!?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago

They did. But now he’s taking money from the wrong people instead of the right people.

[–] disguy_ovahea 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Conservatives have party loyalty, not MAGA loyalty. They ignore the majority of Trump’s ramblings as long as he favors free market, tax loopholes, and covert bigotry and racism. Being “soft on China” adversely impacts the US market, so they spoke out.

I’m surprised the left isn’t more behind distancing the US economy from China. They’ve been committing genocide for longer than Russia and Israel.

https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/genocide-of-the-uyghurs-in-western-china/china-tibet-and-the-uyghurs

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Conservatives have party loyalty, not MAGA loyalty.

GOP has had two wings since Nixon came up with the Southern Strategy; the money people and the church people. The church people love Trump unconditionally. They will dump the GOP in a second if the GOP moves away from Trump.

I like to use this analogy. The GOP is like a high school with the teachers being the money folks. Trump was the new football coach who won a lot of games by feeding the team steroids and meth. Now the teachers are trying to figure out what to do now that the students are burning down the school.

[–] disguy_ovahea 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Absolutely. Trump’s stimulation of the party really simplified the difference now. It’s as simple as the difference between covert vs. overt bigotry.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Here's a quick taste of Lee Atwater.

He was Nixon's creature, and hung around for a long time. Helped create the dog whistles Nixon used and Trump surpassed

https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ?t=2

[–] disguy_ovahea 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks. I’ve read about Atwater, but I’ve never heard that interview. Yeah, he was despicable alright.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For fun, look up Nixon era mystery writer Ross Thomas. He started out as a Washington reporter, then became a novelist.

"The Fools In Town are On Our Side" may be the dirtiest politics book ever written.

"The Porkchoppers" is a close second.

[–] disguy_ovahea 2 points 2 weeks ago

I’ll check them out. Thanks!

[–] d00phy 86 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

How many are “outraged?” And are they so outraged as to consider not voting for him? If not, this story is meaningless.

[–] kmartburrito 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hold on, they're not that outraged, let's not get crazy here. After all, every single one of them flip flops every single day. How else can they be okay with being followers of Christ that support a racist rapist felon?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

It's still an interesting story. Even if 99% of his cultists stick with him every bad decision he makes peels some away.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

For real, the GOP already appointed his daughter*-in-law* (corrected) to co-chair the whole fucking party. Their outrage is entirely political kabuki.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

*daughter-in-law

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mean I know some conservatives who already were feeling very lost about the election since they can't bring themselves to vote for a felon. I think the cracks have started appearing for some people.

[–] tsonfeir 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What conservatives are outrages?

[–] FenrirIII 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The ones pretending to be outraged.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Ones that want to also be able to make money grifting

[–] son_named_bort 24 points 2 weeks ago

No they're not

[–] anticolonialist 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The shorter list is what politician isnt for sale?

[–] Viking_Hippie 35 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Bernie, the Squad and maybe a handful more in Washington.

Basically, the ones who don't take corporate PAC money and who routinely speak out against billionaires are at the very least much LESS corrupt than those who keep making excuses for being beholden to both.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I believe matt gaetz has also refused pac money

[–] ChillPenguin 8 points 2 weeks ago

Pedo Matt Gaetz?

[–] Viking_Hippie 7 points 2 weeks ago

I'd believe he's CLAIMED to do so, but reality has a way of rarely matching any of his claims.

[–] anticolonialist -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Bernie, the Squad and maybe a handful more in Washington

They may not take PAC money but they defend the actions of those that do

[–] Viking_Hippie 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, that sucks, of course.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The reason why you're being downvoted here is beyond me. Surely, everybody understands, that vast majority of politicians are "for sale", and maybe only a handful of them have any decency at all.

[–] Viking_Hippie 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Probably the usual contingent of pro-establishment neoliberal lemmings that roam in large herds across all of the political groups, pretending that only the fascist party is ever wrong or corrupt, while being a Dem is to automatically be pure and good and right about everything 🤷

Thankfully, they usually get outvoted by people without their blinders, like seems to have been the case here 🙂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

At the time of my comment, the OP's comment was losing at the ratio of 1:2.

[–] Viking_Hippie 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, they tend to all happen at once and then other people come later and rectify it so that the truth they abhor usually ends up with a positive score.

[–] Spiralvortexisalie 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah they used to call it the twitter outrage effect or something similar. The people who respond quickest are usually able to do so because they are the least active in offline society. But hey it makes me enjoy the downvotes, because like you I’ve seen what makes those same folks cheer. These same people will tell you “blue no matter who” is nothing like being a “MAGA cultist” despite it having the literal same basis that the “others” are so dangerous we can forego any and all complaints and should stay silenced to win “or else.”