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[–] [email protected] 166 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Im almost positive that Andrew Wakefield has caused more harm to modern medicine than any other person in the last 200 years.

[–] disguy_ovahea 80 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

His human megaphone, Jenny McCarthy, isn’t much better. No one heard of him before she advocated for his findings to be mainstream.

[–] PoopingCough 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Don't forget Oprah who amplified the idea more than they ever could have done on their own

[–] FuglyDuck 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

and got Dr. Oz his start in daytime TV.

[–] mPony 15 points 3 weeks ago

The Four Horsepersons of the Horseshitalypse.

[–] undergroundoverground 92 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Lol jokes on you. I already have autism. So, vaccines just make me stronger.

[–] ameancow 32 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

I'm getting tested for autism as an adult next week. If it turns out I am, who do I contact from the Autistic community? Or does a representative contact me? I don't want to mess this up and I have a costume ready and everything.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I tried to think of a witty response to your funny joke but I'm apparently too tired for that, so instead, I'll wish you good luck for next week, and the weeks that follow it; getting a diagnosis as an adult is often cathartic in the short term, liberatory in the long term, and in between those points is a long period of introspective untangling a web of messy feelings and possibly internalised ableism. I wish you the strength to endure and to emerge with a better understanding of who you are, regardless of the outcome of the assessment.

[–] ameancow 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Kindest words anyone has shared with me since I can remember. Thank you.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

did the vaccines update the autism hud?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah. After I got the covid shot it added a steps counter.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Man, your autism makes the vaccines stronger.

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[–] FuglyDuck 77 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

There’s a correlation between wearing socks and athlete’s foot. Socks cause athletes foot, clearly, and so we shouldn’t wear socks when wearing shoes.

[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Amen, brother! I have long freed my feet from the prison that is the sock!

[–] AbidanYre 22 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

That just seems like a practical cost cutting measure for a squid.

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[–] chemical_cutthroat 70 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's because there is no punishment for spreading false information. These cunt celebrities and politicians spread their fucking lies and if they are found out, they make an empty apology that reaches 1% of the people that they lied to, and it's all forgive and forget. Fuck all of that. Every anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-education cunt out there needs to be strung up from the societal rafters. They have to be made an example of. At the bare minimum they should be doing tours helping to correct the lies they have spread, spending time on social media and running commercials like fucking community service hours. There has to be a punishment for this shit.

[–] EleventhHour 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m curious as to how that law would be written and what it would look like in practice.

[–] chemical_cutthroat 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Ideally, you wouldn't have to write a law for it, and the people would be held accountable by others. That's a BIG wish, though, and I'm a realist--it'll never happen. Instead, if it were written into law, it would have to be done the same ways that libel and slander laws are written, and there would have to be a criminal trial for it. I understand that up front that seems like a lot of extra work for the courts, but if the punishments were severe enough, then hopefully we would see an outright reduction on it.

Some precedent for it would be libel laws as previously stated, false advertising laws, and public health laws like what Germany has instituted (NetzDG) that required social media to remove false health information within 24 hours.

And just to make it clear, I don't want to infringe on anyone's right to free speech, but just like libel and slander laws, when that free speech damages others, then it has to be curbed. The scientific evidence is there for things like the mask mandate and the efficacy of vaccines, we just have to prove it in court and punish those who are guilty of spreading that false information.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm collecting vaccines like infinity stones. I'm going to unlock complete autism.

[–] Zehzin 32 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, you're autistic? Name every time someone said you don't look autistic and that everyone is a little bit autistic

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And you know what happens when you unlock complete autism? That's right: you gain the power to create your own vaccines, making you capable of reaching even new heights.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

I'm already autistic, what's it gonna do, give me a software update?

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

hbomberguy did a fantastic video debunking these claims. Now if only the antivaxxers would actually watch it instead of staying in their own bubbles.

[–] jeffw 32 points 3 weeks ago

oh they loooove YouTube videos, trust me. Just not THOSE videos

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim 11 points 3 weeks ago

I just wish it had less zany YouTube BS. I'd like to send it to my mother, but there's zero chance she would take it seriously.

[–] undergroundoverground 8 points 3 weeks ago

Bold of you to presume they ever cared if they were wrong.

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[–] MockingMoniker 43 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

So, the universe is like a video game but the lesson is morality. Long story short, i have met the antivaxers and i understand. They are dishonest people. I dated their daughter. They will not listen because they're arrogant. They will face horrors until they learn their lesson. The point is, this is a morality problem, not an education problem. Nothing will save them but their own misery you're honestly trying to prevent.

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[–] FlyingSquid 33 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Can we convince people that Andrew Wakefield, Jenny McCarthy and RFK, Jr. cause autism?

(I don't believe there's anything actually wrong with being autistic, I have multiple autistic people in my family. I just think that would be amusing.)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

Steps:

  1. be (usually born) rich
  2. have an agenda
  3. use your wealth to accomplish it
  4. lie, cheat, steal, do whatever you have to in order to "win"

Did I leave anything out? :-P

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Being a Kennedy is more likely to cause lobotomies.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't care if these anti vax idiots kill themselves, I care that they are killing people with weakened immune systems or children that are either too young to get them or they didn't vaccinate them. This is all 100% the fault tRump and Russian propaganda, it's sad soo many fall for it.

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[–] UltraMagnus0001 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All the information available to us now and yet all people care about is if someone the Internet likes them.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (11 children)

We run into a few interesting possibilities here. Start with the assumption that more children are being diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum. That gives us a few possibilities.

  1. Because there's more and better screening autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is being caught more often. Okay, maybe. But.

1.a) If more children are being appropriately diagnosed with ASD, then perhaps the criteria needs to be tightened up; at a certain point, behavior/feelings/thoughts are just normal.

  1. Because there's more screening--but not necessarily better screening--children are being pathologized as having ASD when they do not, because too many clinicians don't have the necessary expertise. This is a distinct possibility, in much the same way that kids are being labelled as having ADD/ADHD--and then getting drugs--when they're more frequently just being kids.

  2. More children are actually on the autism spectrum now than there were 30 years ago. E.g., it's not that more kids slipped through the cracks 30 years ago, but there is actually a higher rate of ASD than there was 30 years ago. This is the one that should cause the most concern; if this is actually the case, and can be demonstrated to be the case, then what factor is causing this maladaption?

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices 8 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

1)a) you missed the part where you clearly said "spectrum" before.

maybe instead, you/we need to change how we react to parts of the spectrum. That is a) it isn't "normal" and b) that's okay.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Can I have the smart autism please

[–] feedmecontent 21 points 3 weeks ago

Only if you're smart anyway since autistic people have the whole distribution of capability represented. Then being smart isn't enough. You also have to be resilient, lucky, and privileged (not enough systemic factors outside of systemic ableism to wash you out in a psychological and logistical pincer attack), and also lucky again to get past the many societal filters that block most autistic success and create the illusion of some unicorn like uniqueness in all visible versions of autistic success.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

Sure, make sure to go back in time so that you aren't overestimulated in your environment, don't get bullied until you suffer an anxiety disorder, and have someone inspire interest in you for something capitalist society pays well for.

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[–] Reygle 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And the tech school I got a degree from now hosts courses on "Reiki healing" and "Crystal healing". America is fucking doomed.

[–] dumblederp 9 points 3 weeks ago

I met a nice lady at the dog park, we vibed, she was into reiki and tarot, I dipped.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

One of my high school acquaintances posted on Facebook that Peppa the Pig causes autism.
I like that conspiracy theory much better, despite how illogical it is that watching a cartoon pig can cause a neurological disorder.

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[–] vegeta 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

duh...they cause magnetism not autism. /s

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[–] exanime 14 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

... but you know what will eventually die? People who do not believe in vaccines

Too bad they will take many with them because of their wilful ignorance... but eventually the problem will correct itself

Someday I hope to live in a society where confidently saying something idiotic is shameful as crapping your pants in public or realizing you have a bugger hanging off your nostril

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Just give the option to be injected with a vaccine or with chlorine. Watch the numbers drop spectacularly.

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