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EDIT: here's a source for that figure

Previous studies have estimated that 73% of all antimicrobials sold globally are used in animals raised for food

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7766021/pdf/antibiotics-09-00918.pdf

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[–] AIhasUse 41 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Sorry ya'll, but if you are still shoveling these idiots money for most of your meals, then you personally are the problem. You should feel guilty every time you do it. You are hurting yourself. You are hurting your children. Tou are hurting your granchildren and future generations. You are hurting strangers. You are hurting everyone you care about. You are doing this all out of addiction and laziness. Not to mention the extreme torture that you are inflicting on the animals. It is time to grow up and take responsibility. You are not innocent because "other people do it too." You are guilty. Please admit this very clear fact to yourself and do better.

[–] moshtradamus666 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I totally get you, but if you want really convince other people of doing the right thing you need to change your tone. This kind of approach is terrible, no one wants to be called evil or dumb for something they never had the time to think about it. You have to do better than that otherwise you are just preaching to people who agree with you.

[–] AIhasUse 8 points 5 months ago

Yeah, absolutely, you're totally right. That's definitely the most common way to go about it, and maybe the most effective, I really don't know. There is a bunch of gentle nudging going on, though, and everyone responds to different things. For some people, no amount of loving hints will get them to do anything. Some people just need the genuine blunt truth to get them to actually think about something. Honestly, it's like any other addiction, the desire needs to come from within, nobody can force them to get better.

I dont buy that many people are unaware or never thought about it before. It's brought up all the time. The issue isn't a lack of information, it is that most people just have almost no personal moral compass, they just rely on the behavior of the masses to dictate to them what is right/wrong. The more people remind them that what they are doing is disgusting, the more likely they will be to eventually change. I figure just machine gun 'em with all various forms of reminders, and we'll get through to some. Eventually, we will hit a critical mass, and the sheep will follow. The most pathetic will cling to their cruelty addiction until they are dead, but that's the same as what happened to the racists, rapists, child abusers or anything else that used to be more accepted.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Oh yeah! Love my burgers from the Stockyard restaurant in Brighton. Occasionally, I'll get the filet. Oh my!!

It is NOT my fault the Earth is fucked.

Corporate and politicians can eat the shit out of the ass of every meat eater.

GFY for trying to blame the "little guy". You're a prick stain.

[–] AIhasUse 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You can try to pass the blame onto them all you want, but the obvious reality is that the billionaires can't sell disgusting over-drugged factory farm meat to billions of people if billions of people don't buy it. They only have power if you willingly give it to them.

The game is over, YOU are the problem, and only YOU can stop your own disgusting habits. No more blaming everyone else for your own complete and utter lack of self-control. Live in your guilt. You are screwing us all over because you are unable to admit responsibility. You are an abusive husband who beats his wife and then blames her for it. Nobody with any amout of common sense is still believing your tired old excuses.

Future generations will know what you did, and you will disgust them. They won't even be able to comprehend how you could be so vile and uncaring. Get used to it, Grandpa. That's your future.

[–] SupraMario 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You militant vegans are hilarious, meat eating is not going away, get over it. You know how people don't like when religious people try and cram their shit down your throat? Yea... you're doing the same thing and it's really fucking annoying.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's why I avoid eating meat and only stick to eating vegans.

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[–] RageAgainstTheRich 9 points 5 months ago

Honestly most meat tastes like shit anyways. And vegan alternatives taste amazing, are often prepared and ready to go into a meal and you don't have to worry about it being undercooked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I bet you're the life of the party.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

not really? farming meat doesn't necessarily have to involve so much antibiotics

sure you can reduce the amount of antibiotics used by reducing the throughput of meat but you can also just put in tighter regulations

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[–] samus12345 33 points 5 months ago

"Does it make us money right now? Then it's fine."

[–] Burn_The_Right 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nothing good comes from the meat industry. Nothing at all.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Except for delicious meat, of course /s

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Where does that figure come from? That's wild, if true

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

For global estimates (~73%)

Previous studies have estimated that 73% of all antimicrobials sold globally are used in animals raised for food

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7766021/pdf/antibiotics-09-00918.pdf

For US in particular (~80%)

Of all antibiotics sold in the United States, approximately 80% are sold for use in animal agriculture; about 70% of these are “medically important” (i.e., from classes important to human medicine).2 Antibiotics are administered to animals in feed to marginally improve growth rates and to prevent infections, a practice projected to increase dramatically worldwide over the next 15 years.3 There is growing evidence that antibiotic resistance in humans is promoted by the widespread use of nontherapeutic antibiotics in animals. Resistant bacteria are transmitted to humans through direct contact with animals, by exposure to animal manure, through consumption of undercooked meat, and through contact with uncooked meat or surfaces meat has touched.4

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638249/

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Jesus... But thanks for having your sources ready!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

Added the source to the post text now. Probably should have done that to begin with

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

In Germany 2015 1700 tons of antibiotics were used, thereof only 300 t for human use.

[–] LengAwaits 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We recommend four widely applicable high-impact (i.e. low emissions) actions with the potential to contribute to systemic change and substantially reduce annual personal emissions: having one fewer child (an average for developed countries of 58.6 tonnes CO2-equivalent (tCO2e) emission reductions per year), living car-free (2.4 tCO2e saved per year), avoiding airplane travel (1.6 tCO2e saved per roundtrip transatlantic flight) and eating a plant-based diet (0.8 tCO2e saved per year). These actions have much greater potential to reduce emissions than commonly promoted strategies like comprehensive recycling (four times less effective than a plant-based diet) or changing household lightbulbs (eight times less).

^https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541/pdf^

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

what does this have to do with anything

[–] firadin 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Can someone explain why antibiotics are used in the meat industry? Are lots of animals dying to bacterial infections so they need antibiotics to aid the yield, or are antibiotics incidentally also growth hormones, or something else? Always been curious

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Both of the two. The two main reasons are that it incidentally boost growth and there are lots of circulating diseases due to heavy overcrowding conditions. Note that the use is not on those who are sick, but to everyone even if they show no symptoms

Antibiotics are administered to animals in feed to marginally improve growth rates and to prevent infections, a practice projected to increase dramatically worldwide over the next 15 years.There is growing evidence that antibiotic resistance in humans is promoted by the widespread use of nontherapeutic antibiotics in animals.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4638249/

[–] Sheldybear 7 points 5 months ago

Don't worry, it gets worse! Certain farmed animals are particularly susceptible to infections like shrimp and oysters. These animals are kept in open water pens and antibiotics are routinely DUMPED INTO THE OCEAN to protect the stock, naturally contaminating the ocean at large and giving bacteria in the wild just enough exposure to antibiotics to develop resistance.

If you want to support responsible antibiotic use, avoid all farmed shellfish, don't buy any meats from India or China, and only buy free range chicken; these are the biggest global offenders. If you're European, avoid meats from Greece or italy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

On top of the other answers, animals are more likely to get sick if they get cramped together in extremely tight spaces, facilitating the spread of diseases, and meat industries do systematically cramp animals together because it's economically efficient, at the detriment of both the animals and the quality of the meat.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Sorry I'm too lazy to look up a source, but the way I've heard it explained is that while they might occasionally give them to sick animals as a sort of panacea, they often just give all of them a low dose. Apparently it like, makes their immune system not have to work as hard so they gain weight faster. Which is basically textbook how to make resistant bacteria.

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[–] pyre 6 points 5 months ago

what is this Frankenstein's meme

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