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TNG as NuTrek (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago by negativenull to c/tenforward

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[–] FlyingSquid 95 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Yep.

TOS fans in 1987: "This Next Generation show is nothing like TOS and ruins everything about Star Trek!"

TNG fans in 1993: "Deep Space 9 isn't about exploration, so it ruins everything about Star Trek!"

DS9 fans in 1995: "Voyager isn't going to have Klingons or Romulans and the only Vulcan is black, so it ruins everything about Star Trek!"

Voyager fans in 2001: "Enterprise is a prequel, so we know exactly what will happen, so it ruins everything about Star Trek!"

Enterprise fans a few years ago- hell, take your pick of bitching.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Enterprise fans a few years ago-

"I wonder if they'll give this show a proper finale? Eh. Probably too much to ask. The intro music isn't bad, at least."

[–] FlyingSquid 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The intro music isn’t bad, at least.

"The intro music sucks and isn't Star Trek because it's a pop song" was like the very first complaint people made upon seeing the first episode.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

It is a bad, cheesy, non-trek song that we ironically called good for so long we actually started liking it for real.

[–] FlyingSquid 7 points 6 months ago

I guarantee you that not only were there plenty of people who loved it the first time they heard it, there were plenty of people who loved it the first time the heard it on the Rod Stewart album they already owned when the show came out.

Now me, I hate Rod Stewart and I hate that song, but different strokes...

[–] OccamsTeapot 5 points 6 months ago

It's insidious

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

that we ironically called good for so long we actually started liking it for real.

Yeah. That was my journey, exactly. Now I'm really fond of it.

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[–] Buffalox 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It so reminds me of Rod Stewart "Sailing", Which was used for a TV show in the late 70's. I hated that song more than 40 years ago and I still do, and I hate the theme song to Enterprise sounding like something from the 70's. It seemed to me everything about Enterprise was to make humanity seem backwards and primitive but in a future SciFi setting. Like when one of the first episodes, they are totally surprised that bacteria can contaminate a planet. Something that has been well known and considered already for several decades.

[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It reminds you of a Rod Stewart song because... it's a Rod Stewart song!

He did it originally. They couldn't afford the rights to his version for the show so they re-recorded it with a guy who sounds kind of like Rod Stewart.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ironically the first season of tng was exactly like tos and the show didn't hit is stride until it threw that out and started doing it's own thing

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 6 months ago

Several of the scripts were adapted from the aborted Star Trek II TV series, which was going to have most of the original crew return. Spock being the notable exception.

[–] feedmecontent 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I think it's stayed TNG and ds9 fans

[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You'd be wrong. There are people who consider each of those their favorite Star Trek.

[–] teft 32 points 6 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Enterprise enjoyers today:

It's been a long road, getting from there to here.

[–] CitizenKong 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

All Trek fans after Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci showed up: Can we get Berman and Piller back please?

[–] RudeOnTuesdays 23 points 6 months ago

Nobody wants Berman back.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Happy if JJ never gets near a Trek set again, but as far as the new series are concerned, I'd rank them all between "pretty good" and "excellent". Except Picard, but even that mess was at least a better send off than Nemesis.

Berman? Best thing he ever did was stay away from DS9, and that just because he was too busy making Voyager worse.

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[–] Lemming421 48 points 6 months ago (2 children)

“Soap opera actress Cheryl McFadden”

TIL.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago

I didn't realise that Cheryl was her first name, I thought they'd made a mistake (like how they've spelt it Ryker).

But Wikipedia informs me that her full name is Cheryl Gates McFadden and she uses both names:

She is usually credited as Cheryl McFadden when working as a choreographer and Gates McFadden when working as an actress

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Shes a famous dancer and choreographer as well, but TNG does play that up.

She was the dance choreographer and in charge of puppet movement for Labyrinth as an example.

[–] negativenull 40 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Also, Levar Burton as the new Spock?

[–] paddirn 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, it really should’ve read “Levar Burton - The New Scotty?” To which people would’ve been like “a black Scotty, WTF?” It’s kind of interesting how much the original dynamic was broken apart with the TNG crew, and glad they tried doing something different instead of just a carbon copy reboot. Some just don’t translate or were completely new “roles” that just didn’t exist in TOS.

Kirk (Picard + Riker)
Spock (Data)
Bones (Crusher + Worf)
Scotty (LaForge)
Uhuru (Yar + Guinan + Troi)
Sulu (Data)
Chekov (Wesley)
Red shirts (Gold shirts)

[–] FlyingSquid 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Except Geordi wasn't the chief engineer yet, so that wouldn't have worked either. That didn't happen until season 2.

[–] aeronmelon 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Honestly, the worst thing about the first season was the revolving door of Chief Engineers.

[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Blame Roddenberry. He didn't even want to show Engineering. I don't get it because people loved Scotty.

[–] edgemaster72 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's crazy to me, the engineers are always my favorite characters

[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 6 months ago

And have inspired so many scientists too.

There's a (poorly named) documentary called "How William Shatner Invented the Future" which features a bunch of scientists talking about how Star Trek inspired them. Including the inventor of the cell phone.

[–] aeronmelon 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Er, I find that hard to believe considering Main Engineering was the biggest set they built for the show.

Is there a source for that anywhere?

[–] FlyingSquid 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

During the first season of Star Trek The Next Generation, there was never a full-time chief engineering officer for the Enterprise-D. Originally the producers thought that most of the action would take place on the bridge and would rarely go to other areas of the ship, including engineering. The bridge officers would call over the intercom to the other areas and have some voice actor say "Yes sir!" and so forth to save money on new sets. Gene Roddenberry disagreed with this idea and had a change made to the shooting script for the pilot episode "Encounter at Farpoint" to include a scene in engineering; otherwise no engineering set would have been built at all. That set the stage to bring in a new character to act as the chief engineer. Well, it didn't quite work out as planned at first.

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/chief_engineers_tng.htm

Now I don't know where they got that from, but that website is generally a reliable source. But I was wrong, it wasn't Gene.

[–] aeronmelon 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So why would I blame Roddenberry if Roddenberry is the reason the Engineering set got built?

Your previous comment made it sound like he was against the idea of going to Engineering.

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My edit must not have gone through. I forgot to add that I was wrong and it wasn't Roddenberry and edited my comment, but it didn't go through to you fast enough I guess. Sorry.

[–] aeronmelon 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Okay. The idea that they didn't want to film in Engineering really confused me. Because Encounter At Farpoint made a big show of Picard walking the entire set from top to bottom.

It makes a lot of sense that Roddenberry himself vetoed that idea.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

I really liked that! It accurately demonstrates that when you are building a new team, leadership roles are especially challenging to fill. It made it feel like a believable workplace.

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[–] paddirn 6 points 6 months ago

That’s right, so at that point he probably would’ve been more of a Sulu or a Chekov.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

So, so, so many gold shirts :(

[–] grue 15 points 6 months ago

I guess they didn't expect comedic actor Brent Spiner to be the emotionless Spock-analogue.

[–] jpreston2005 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Levar Burton - The New Spock

lol as if Spock would ever get lovesick over a hologram of a person, just to have the real person show up and hate him

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

I think SNW Spock could manage it

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[–] Thcdenton 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

"the new Spock"

Fuck off these non-trek ppl.

[–] SPRUNT 3 points 6 months ago

Studio exec: "Yeah he's good, and looks the part, but can we do something about those crazy eyes?"

Showrunner: "I already have the prop department working on it."

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 22 points 6 months ago

This looks and reads like it is from a grocery store gossip rag. Look, I'm sure fans were upset, but I'm old enough to recall the hype for TNG and people were excited AF generally.

[–] someguy3 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's crazy to me that Levar Burton was the famous one at the start.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"The charm and success were based on the perfect mix of cast!"

Just wait until Riker gets his beard and then you'll notice TNG has the same thing going on!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

Frakes' hair, wow :-)

[–] HerrVorragend 14 points 6 months ago

This reads like a horrible idea. The new series is doomed to fail!

[–] Tattorack 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Difference with every Star Trek that came before and what we have now:

Every first season of Star Trek after TOS was pretty bad. When you have just the first season of a Trek series to go off on then the reaction to something mediocre is pretty normal.

Season 1 TNG had... problems.

Season 1 DS9 is boring as fuck.

But these series got better and earned the respect of the fans with later seasons.

NuTrek has had 17 or so seasons across 5 series and it's STILL trash! The current executives have chosen quantity over quality and don't give a damn about improving anything.

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