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[–] CosmicCleric 131 points 1 month ago (13 children)

From the article ...

“Without these standards of decency and morality, this planet may rapidly descend into anarchy, never-ending wars, and barbarism.”

AKA, "the center will not hold".

I want to live in the alternate timeline, with President Sanders.

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[–] TropicalDingdong 84 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sanders is doing right now, exactly the right thing. Its the thing Biden should be doing but is seemingly incapable of. Its being on the right side of history as history is happening and not accepting some fatalistic inevitability about the future.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

not accepting some fatalistic inevitability about the future.

He is describing an inevitability; Socialism or Barbarism.

[–] rockSlayer 16 points 1 month ago

Considering what's happening around us currently, I've started believing that it's actually barbarism until socialism.

[–] Fredselfish 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Heard on the news today that Biden said that it is not genocide in Gaza. He really wants to lose I guess.

I voted, donated, and knocked on doors for Sanders. He should be our president not the fucking lesser evil Biden.

[–] TropicalDingdong 11 points 1 month ago

Oh man. If the TV news said its not a genocide, it must not be! Right?

Bidens a fucking disgrace.

[–] Xanis 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm still going to vote for Biden. He is wrong on the Gaza situation, though has made strides elsewhere.

Unfortunately it is also either him or possibly THE Idiot Savant. Would prefer ol' Bernie, even today.

Literally today.

[–] Fredselfish 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I voted for Biden once I will do again to keep Trump out. But after that I am done. Either progressive take control of the party by 2028 our this country can burn for all I care. Done with this bullshit.

Wake me up when we are ready to riot.

[–] Xanis 4 points 1 month ago

Honestly? I agree. Biden will give us a few years to get our shit together. Though I hope there will be people who are able to pull others together for that exact reason.

[–] disguy_ovahea 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

He’d be rounding out his second term right now. He was clearly up to the task. I hope he remains in the Senate until he passes. He’s an exceptional person, who should be treated as such, like RBG.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

He’s an exceptional person, who should be treated as such, like RBG.

The close friend of Scalia's who opposed worker's rights, indigenous rights, and held up the constitutionality of solitary confinement? The one who prioritized her ego over not giving Trump an extra SCOTUS pick?

I have my criticisms of Bernie, but I would never put him in that category.

[–] disguy_ovahea 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I wasn’t aware of those votes. I’ll look into them. Thank you for pointing them out to me.

Her strong stance against gender and sexual orientation discrimination, and support for undocumented people as well as people with disabilities is why I mentioned her as an advocate for the people.

[–] return2ozma 21 points 1 month ago

She also stayed on too long even when others were begging her to retire because Hillary Clinton wanted to pick her replacement. And then...

[–] distantsounds 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

We also wouldn’t be dealing with this trump circus. The DNC really fucked everyone over

[–] disguy_ovahea 23 points 1 month ago

I wholeheartedly blame that election on Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

And they're doing it again right now but for some reason people lose their shit when you speak about it.

[–] CosmicCleric 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

He’d be rounding out his second term right now. He was clearly up to the task. I hope he remains in the Senate until he passes.

I fear that if things get any worse, we'll have to "Weekend at Bernie's" him.

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[–] disguy_ovahea 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There are worse ideas. I won’t tell if you don’t.

[–] Ensign_Crab 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hope he remains in the Senate until he passes.

I hope we get enough progressives in the Senate so that he can retire.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

67 + 2 in the event one dies and the another resigns?

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[–] rockSlayer 3 points 1 month ago

I'd prefer if he leaned more heavily into supporting upcoming socialist politicians throughout his state to help lead the next generation of leftist politicians into power.

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[–] retrospectology 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine if the DNC and liberal media apparatus had supported his presidential campaign instead of doing everything they could to kneecap it.

Really was a massive mistake to push Clinton and the pied piper strategy.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sanders has historically been Israel-friendly. This heel-turn has been the result of enormous public pressure from his leftist base.

Its possible that a President Sanders would have been equally receptive to shifts in public attitude towards Israel. But I wager that his willingness to bend towards popular sentiment is precisely the reason the DNC / Liberal Media won't back him. They want their Bush / McCain / Biden stubborn conservatism, because its better for fundraising among elites and feeds into the DC Media idea of "integrity".

You have to remember that "populism" has become a dirty word in American politics, particularly among DC elites. Its very much Us-versus-Them for the insider class. Caving to "Them" is seen as a sign of weakness and betrayal.

Really was a massive mistake to push Clinton and the pied piper strategy.

It worked in so far as it got us to Biden, eventually. Neoliberals were willing to suffer 4 years of reactionary social politics to cement their economic gains. And they'll be willing to do it again in November, if it means "Biden was too much of a leftist" is the message ingrained on people's brains when he loses.

[–] retrospectology 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If that's the take away from a Biden loss then totalitarianism really is inevitable in this country because it would indicate that the only party in a position to resist fascism, has refused to ever do so.

I suppose we'll see, though you'd never catch me betting against neoliberal stupidity.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 6 points 1 month ago

the only party in a position to resist fascism, has refused to ever do so.

Real Weimer Republic Hours. The Friekorps will drag Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht out back and shoot them, for organizing students in a protest against the state. But they can only ever managed to deliver a slap on the wrist to a young German officer and Beer Hall afficianado, before annointing him Chancellor in an electoral wave year.

you’d never catch me betting against neoliberal stupidity

The US has been running on fumes since the 2008 financial crash. Even if Biden manages to eek out another 40,000 vote win-margin by November, he's stuck with a Congress that hates him and an economy that's powered entirely by magic beans. That means we get another Trump/Trump-adjacent candidate in 2028 and 2032 and 2036 and...

[–] Veraxus 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think it's possible to be both a Zionist (Zionist-lite?) AND opposed to mass murder and genocide... including that of the native Palestinian population.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

idk, at this point it feels like saying you're a Republican because you support Abraham Lincoln's ideas

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 1 month ago

Given the history of Zionism as a nation-building policy, I think it would be very hard to divorce the existence of a Jewish Majority state from the methods by which that Jewish Majority is secured. You'd have about as much luck trying to justify right-of-return for Afrikaner Boers or Japanese Imperialists or Oklahoma Sooners. The goals of the state are inseparable from the methods they used to mark their claim and secure their ethnic majority.

A native Palestinian population is a threat to an Israeli state simply by not being Jewish. As the Palestinian population expands, the threat expands with it. And so Zionist Jews are compelled to perform a periodic culling of the population, in order to maintain their majority.

[–] Fades 34 points 1 month ago

I was very pleased to see the ICC interested in the arrests of both Netanyahu and Hamas leadership

[–] randon31415 32 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I wonder how much of Biden's outrage is because of support for Bibi, and how much of it is because the ICC could start issuing warrant for US presidents?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

The US already has a law in place that stipulates that the president can use all means necessary, including military action, to release any US personnel that have been arrested by the ICC.

They aren’t afraid that the ICC is going to issue a warrant for a US president. Because they can just park their aircraft carriers in the North Sea near The Hague beach and invade Dutch airspace. And what is the EU going to do in that case? US already has troops and equipment on EU soil.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

While they can do so, that's a very effective way to permanently destroy relations between the EU and the US. The US will be unable to effectively project power onto both Europe and the Middle East once the military bases in Europe are closed down in the aftermath. It will be the US's biggest loss in soft power since its founding.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

ICC arrest warrants are not about actually detaining people, Bibi won't end up in the Hague either.

The point is isolation. If the US president would get convicted, they wouldn't be able to attend a G7 summit anymore for example.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (4 children)

100% the former. Biden supported the ICC until it started going after his pal. Now he just gave Putin a propaganda freebie.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The U.S. has an infamous history of obstructing the ICC otherwise the previous 3 president's would be potentially facing war crimes charges.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

The US and Israel are rogue states. The same as we like accusing Russia, Iran, and North Korea of being.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The USA have a law that they have to send the military to Den Haag in case the ICC tries to prosecute any US Soldiers or officials: ASPA or the Hague Invasion Act.

[–] Hildegarde 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm pretty sure the dutch government has laws making such an invasion illegal.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think everyone has laws making invasions illegal, that does not seem to mean anything to the attackers.

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[–] retrospectology 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Probably a mix of both. This is an issue that Biden us actually ideological on, he is genuinely a zionist. But he also has that habitual conservative infatuation with the status quo and sitting on fences.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Sigh... Dragging this back out again.

https://youtu.be/moNHfeBJ81I

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