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[–] STRIKINGdebate2 98 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ickplant I feel bad for you. You keep trying to make wholesome posts but you end inadvertently triggering discourse. First pit bull discourse and now hijab discourse.

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 6 months ago (2 children)

An incredibly moving moment that this person will never forget. πŸ’œ

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 6 months ago (14 children)

Seriously…. Who downvotes this????? Such a wholesome share!

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 106 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] Klear 95 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] poplargrove 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I imagine the downvoters assume the post is making a point about Muslims in general, which it isn't.

It isn't Islamophobic thinking Muslims are transphobic, they are. Much like most of the world outside the West.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"most of the world outside the West".

Is this trans friendly West in the room with us currently?

Also countries like Thailand are culturally much more advanced on Trans acceptance.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No. People who don't think sexist religious conservative values should be applauded. This is basically orphan crushing machine material

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

So you're saying this post is bad because the focus is entirely on the positive interaction, and nobody is screaming the fact that one of the people in the story wears a hijab and going out of their way to slam Islam over it? 🀨

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Liberal value = giving women the choice to decide whether or not they want to wear religious dress.

Anti-liberal value = removing that choice from them.

It's pretty straightforward. Freedom of choice has always been the liberal way.

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[–] Anamnesis 13 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Yeah. Accept Muslims and support their rights. But fuck the hijab. No one should wear that sexist trash.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

You can upload literally anything on this site and it'll be downvoted. Sometimes even for the content, usually just because creeps will go back through your history and downvote everything you've posted for a week or two.

I'm not worried about it, though.

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[–] jose1324 107 points 6 months ago (38 children)

Fuck religion that even makes this gesture possible

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[–] MataVatnik 89 points 6 months ago
[–] ChonkyOwlbear 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Religious views of trans people in Iran are particularly interesting. Though it is an Islamic theocracy where being gay is explicitly against the law, being trans is narrowly accepted. Gender reassignment surgery is legal and formal gender recognition after the procedure is supported by the theocracy. The fact that being gay is potentially punishable by death can lead to people choosing gender reassignment rather than execution. The government's strict belief that there are no sexual minorities in the country leads to an oddly absolute acceptance of the gender of trans people.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (4 children)

This reminds me of Japan. I've not confirmed this myself, but it jives with my understanding of the culture. Binary trans people are generally less 'disruptive' to society and less of a perceived 'problem' to the mainstream because hey we can fit you into a box and its associated social roles. They really like their boxes and roles. But if you are queer in other more visible ways, like gay people trying to get married or be accepted socially, then that gets frowned upon for upsetting the apple cart.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Forgive my ignorance but can anyone explain what happened in this interraction?

[–] Ballistic_86 143 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It would be against Islam for a woman to show herself (without a head covering) to a man she wasn’t married/related to. This isn’t true for woman and other woman. This person is trans and their friend treated them, through religious tradition, that she accepts her friend as a woman.

[–] [email protected] 116 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Which means, in effect, that their friend is saying "My belief that you are truly a woman is at least as strong as my belief in my god," which is an incredibly powerful way to validate someone's identity.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

"male attendants with no desire" are also accepted, although I suspect that refers to eunuchs.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 months ago

A wholesome exchange based on the intersection of trans acceptance and religious misogyny!

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I wonder what her Imam would say to that. I haven't heard of a Muslim sect that accepts transgender people under their chosen gender. But maybe they are out there, if anyone knows of one I'd like to know more.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

In Iran, gender reassignment is legal, and they'll even change the birth certificate to match, from what I learned a decade ago.

Homosexuality, however, is a capital offense, so many gay people are pressured to transition.

Some conservative societies seem to have the attitude that it's better to go from one role with rigid expectations to another than it is to fail to meet the expectations of your original role.

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[–] masquenox 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wonder what her Imam would say to that.

Heaven forbid... are you implying that Muslim people perhaps aren't a brainwashed monolith that simply accepts anything spoken by those in authority?

Say it isn't so!

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[–] gofsckyourself 24 points 6 months ago

That's a beautiful story. Love it.

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