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The Netherlands' entry Joost Klein not rehearsing 'until further notice' over 'incident' (news.sky.com)
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[–] givesomefucks 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Probably another Israel protest...

Maybe because Israel's contestant is someone they literally held a TV contest to find, and then told her what song she's allowed to sing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/arts/music/eurovision-israel-eden-golan-hurricane.html

It's pure propaganda and rubbing everyone else's nose in Israel being allowed to participate while actively committing a genocide.

The song was written explicitly to attract sympathy, and it was so bad originally Eurovision had to make them change some of they lyrics.

I miss the days Little Big did a Spanish language song to piss of Russian nationalists, now they're living in exile in LA and this shit is going on.

I don't follow Eurovision that closely, did I just never notice this before? Or has it always been like Olympics and FIFA?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Always has been. The whole introduction of the public vote really highlights (what has always been) the political voting of the judges. All the scandi countries voting for each other, border buddy voting, no-one voting for the UK etc.

It was only a few years ago that Iceland got in trouble for briefly showing a Palestine flag in the finals because the rules state "no politics", but half the songs are making political statements.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Is there a political reason why people don't vote for the UK or are we just that shit?

[–] Korne127 4 points 6 months ago

Up until a years ago I was of the opinion "There’s no political voting, UK 2022 and Germany 2018 were super popular so it’s possible". But honestly, after last year I think it’s possible, but some countries still have a disadvantage and they need to produce an absolutely amazing song to get a great result, but only a good song won’t get them the points a different country would get. Only my personal opinion though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I can think of a few possible factors. First is that we're not part of any notable voting blocs, so there's nobody automatically putting us first. That brings down the average relative to those who are in one. We also get automatic entry to the finals every year without having to get ranked well in the semi finals, so there's a higher chance of a British entry in the finals being unpopular than there is of most other countries. But also, I think, we might just be overestimating what we deserve. We don't actually do that badly; only Ireland and Sweden have won it more than us, and our average score in the finals if you actually add them all up is pretty much middle of the pack

[–] Korne127 3 points 6 months ago

Neighborhood voting is usually more frequent in televoting tbh (as is running order bias)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Little Big are masters of not giving a fuck who they piss off :)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Latest rumor: joost was being harassed constantly by the Israeli zionists. They used his dead parents as ammunition in their verbal abuse. Joost lost temper and did something towards Israeli photographer.

[–] SteefLem 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That would explain why he yelled why not to israel

[–] Korne127 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ohh yeah, true…
(Although of course that’s rather speculative. @[email protected], do you know where these rumors come from?)
Every ESC has its drama but honestly this year really feels like another level with things like this ://

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Here and there. Now there is Twitter rumor about esc spain prepping to announce something about getting abuse from Israelis too. Have to wait and see whats up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Austrian broadcaster is writing that the Spanish delegation issued a protest against an individual israeli journalist to the organizers today.

https://orf.at/stories/3357172/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

The article also talks about the release of the italian voting results. Apparently they weren't the actual results, but then what were those results? The results they had hoped for or what?

Wie RAI am Freitag in einer Pressemitteilung betonte, hätte es sich um einen technischen Fehler und zudem nicht um die tatsächlichen Ergebnisse gehandelt.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

There is huqe scandal going on with Israels genocidal acts calls.

[–] Deestan 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well that's shitty :/ Was he harassed by people on the premises? Huge fail from the organizers if so.

[–] SteefLem 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I now hear spain also has some drama with israel. Also a spanish press conference to tell how and what.

[–] Deestan 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Soggy hell. Even going with the concept of ESC trying to be apolitical, Israel's presence is just fucking things up for everyone. In addition to this new mess, every country's artist has been getting constant harassment for A) joining, B) not protesting Israel, C) protesting Israel but not enough D) protesting Israel or E) All of the above from various people.

And now there are talks of voting "tactical" by making anyone but Israel win, i.e. voting for current betting favorite Croatia. Meaning, peoole won't get to just vote for who they like and accept that some other worthy contestant won instead, like usual.

I wish they had the fucking tact to sit this one out even if the rules allow it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And now there are talks of voting "tactical" by making anyone but Israel

I think a stronger message would be to make Israel win this year so the EBU are forced to host the contest in a country currently repressing and illegally occupying it's neighbour.

The EBU will surely then have to pull it's finger out and explain it's double standards.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Why would they? They would most likely just ignore that.

[–] Deestan 1 points 6 months ago

I like to believe the ESC has long since understood leaving Israel in was the wrong call, but this year's event is too far along to change. A promise is a promise and all that.

[–] cosmicrookie 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There's a lot of censoring going on in Eurovision this year to try and make things look pretty..

Was it a few years back when they ignored several country votes and just replaced their votes with what they thought they should have votted?

https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/release/ebu-statement-irregular-voting-2022

the ESC Executive Supervisor has the right to remove the votes concerned for allocating the ranks and to replace them with a substitute aggregated result calculated automatically to determine the final country result of these countries

[–] Korne127 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

when they ignored several country votes and just replaced their votes with what they thought they should have voted?

Several countries‘ juries made a deal with each other to exchange all the high points so that they all get a good placement. But this has been discovered so the jury points have been annulled.
I agree that the way they handle this wasn’t great, but it’s good that they are making sure the jury votes are real and not the result of corruption or weird deals (as some people sometimes claim).

[–] cosmicrookie 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Its great that they caught it, but the just covered it up during the live broadcast and it only got attention the following day. If I remember correctly, they had "connection issues" when the representatives from those countries were to cast their points

[–] Korne127 5 points 6 months ago

Yep. That’s what I meant with "the way they handled it wasn’t great". I kind of can understand their motivation that it’s the easiest not to tell the countries they found out about it and just not letting them talk at all… but it’s unprofessional and not honest / open :/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Audience video during Israel’s song. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRwgE3td/

[–] Korne127 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

According to information to SVT [the Swedish broadcaster], there has been a physical confrontation between the artist and a photographer

Source: https://www.svt.se/kultur/incident-utreds-kring-nederlandske-artisten-joost-klein
That seems like a credible source. But there’s still almost no certified information to what exactly happened.

[–] cosmicrookie 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I dont think EBU will update this with an honest comment before the song contest is over. Maybe some vague excuse at the show and a week later release a post about it in some obscure corner of their website

[–] Korne127 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think it will be resolved shortly, definitely after the contest. Even in the past where the EBU has been intransparent (e.g. with the invalidated corrupt jury votes), it got pretty clear afterwards what happened. But I guess we’ll see.

[–] cosmicrookie 4 points 6 months ago

News here are reporting that the NL flag has been removed from his backstage room https://nyheder.tv2.dk/2024-05-10-stor-mytik-breder-sig-i-eurovision-land-efter-ukendt-haendelse-med-hollandsk-deltager

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I mean, to this date they never released any details about the 2022 ban on Russia's entry and left the vague statement they originally put out. And their statements about the jury fraud afterwards didnt go into detail either. So maybe we'll not even get a proper comment afterwards.

[–] SteefLem 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

So a journalist asked the israeli contestant if she was “causing” a security risk, she answered i dont have to answer that if i dont want to. And Joost yelled “why not?” (Guessing why not just answer) and now he is being investigated? Cool. Soo israel the next winner?

[–] Korne127 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh boy. We’ll see how that develops.

But it’s also "great" how this news site just needs to add one comment from "one critic" to emphasize how bad the song must be 🙄

[–] cosmicrookie 4 points 6 months ago

I actually like the song - i listen to the songs, but don't watch the show

[–] Korne127 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Probably a minor update, but I’ve read about this and Joost unfollowed Eurovision and deleted his Eurovision story from yesterday.

[–] SteefLem 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah i think he just quit. Screw you guys im going home kinda deal. Now its easy for them to dq him and not investigate further

[–] Korne127 5 points 6 months ago

I really hope this isn’t the case :/
Especially for him with his special bond to Eurovision and the song with his parents :///
And of course also because I really liked his song and it’s in my top 3 :(

[–] CosmoNova 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Oh seesh. I watched a recent coverage of him and Gabber literally yesterday. It felt so hopeful... and now this. Kinda feel robbed of my time now. Feels bizarre even though I don't know him.

[–] cosmicrookie 8 points 6 months ago

According to Danish news, the Dutch flag has been removed from Joosts backstage room!

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/2024-05-10-stor-mytik-breder-sig-i-eurovision-land-efter-ukendt-haendelse-med-hollandsk-deltager

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

EU has Israel lobby too?

Jfc

[–] cosmicrookie 6 points 6 months ago

police is now looking into this as Joost is being accused of 'being violent' towards a female TV producer

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/melodifestivalen/a/MnRnOo/uppgifter-ebu-i-krismote-om-nederlandernas-joost-klein-anklagas

[–] Omgarm 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

ROTW voting is still delayed. I usually only check news this often when there's F1 drama.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Plot twist... Fernando Alonso announces suprise move to the Netherlands Eurovision team and will ~~race~~ perform in Saturday's final as a Junior.