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My 27 yr old sibling is a hard core follower of Joe Rogan 💩

What are some progressive channels/people/content that I could have my sibling start watching instead?

Preferably something that has a similar flavor - example: male host, muscular, easy to digest. I think that will make the transition easier.

My personal preferences are Seth Meyers and John Oliver, but Last Week Tonight (John Oliver) is even a heavy watch for me sometimes!

[No Andrew Hubbard. He’s another fake.]

Thank you!

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[–] theywilleatthestars 54 points 6 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seconding this rec, seems like a good fit

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[–] Mostly_Gristle 5 points 6 months ago

In the same CoolZone Media vein, Hood Politics might fit the bill as well.

[–] MrVilliam 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I finally gave this a shot and I'm really enjoying it. I just finished the release of his deep dive on Kissinger. I left a comment in this thread and only excluded BtB because I saw that you had already recommended it. I'll say here that there are related entries that are also good, like Behind the Police and Assault on America, but those are like limited miniseries. I think every American should listen to Behind the Police to understand the history of policing in America and see how straight of a line there really is to draw between their start as slave catchers to what they are now.

[–] d00phy 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

BtB is pretty good, and the Kissinger series was great. Check out the Jack Welch series. I think it’s titles the guy who killed capitalism or the reason you were laid off. Something like that. Very good episodes.

[–] MrVilliam 2 points 6 months ago

I think that was the first one I checked out! Excellent recommendation!

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If he's a "hard follower" of Joe Rogan than he likely won't be interested in other content. Rogan is a fool, but that's why people find him appealing. Content that is insightful and educational is the opposite of the junk food of Rogan.

Maybe instead, when Rogan says something like "Bro did you know like the pineal gland of the chimpanzee produces anti-covid hormones? This is just what I've heard. Look it up. By the way did you see the tree growing in my toilet?" You can help your sibling by teaching them ways to think, reason, and critically evaluate the BS that freely flows from the Roganverse.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest 12 points 6 months ago

Hey be careful when you are blatantly misquoting Joe Rogan to benefit your own exaggerations.

He clearly says that the pineal gland produces DMT. And you know how much Joe Rogan loves DMT.

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[–] Bell 36 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Preferably something that has a similar flavor - example: male host, muscular, easy to digest. I think that will make the transition easier.

You don't think much of your sibling do you?

[–] Carighan 50 points 6 months ago

I mean if they listen to Joe Rogan, they don't seem to think much of themselves either tbh. That counts as self-harm.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] victorz 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Their sibling might be young. Young people are gullible idiots.

[–] HackyHorse3000 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Their sibling is 27 in this case, I think well past the age of "gullible young".

[–] d00phy 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You’ll find that folks can be gullible at any age. My step-kids, who live with their dad in Texas, are in their early 20s and get about 99% of their information from either YouTube or TikTok. For the youngest, church plays a big part. Generally speaking, they are good kids, but they are both gullible AF. I’m betting OP’s sibling has a similar diet of media consumption.

[–] victorz 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, the unbiased style of debate/news reporting is very dangerous.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Make him watch early Joe Rogan content. Back when he actually had an open mind and interesting guests.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

The Hasan Abi Broadcast

[–] MrVilliam 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Some More News on YouTube is really great. They also do a weekly ~hour long podcast called Even More News, but I think that's better as an extension of the core showdy.

There's also Internet Comment Etiquette with Erik on YouTube. It's shorter and seems at a glance to be more right wing, but he's being ironic. That might sway him more gently. Also shout-out for being the only YouTuber who does ad reads that I'll actually sit through. Sponsors, throw your money at him, he has my fucking eyeballs.

For something more dry but still short, Beau of the Fifth Column just doesn't miss.

[–] NewWorldOverHere 2 points 6 months ago

What great recommendations!

Some More News is a bit long to start him off I think, but Internet Comment Etiquette has the perfect vulgarity and format. I think it will catch his attention and make him actually watch some.

Beau of the Fifth Column has an incredible beard and background. It really hits the right vibe too! Thank you!

[–] TwoBeeSan 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This comes off a little negative but totally get the desire to show a sibling something different,as someone who uses to listen to rogan regularly...

Find whatever guests he liked and nail down what it is he's actually interested in. For me it was history and comedy.

History of Rome with Mike Duncan then lead to youtubers like sandrhomanhistory and the operations room. If he's into more military and masculine show him forgotten weapons also on YouTube.

If you go as left mainstream as John Oliver it's gonna be an uphill battle. Even though I more than likely agree with what he would say have 0 desire to watch it.

Comedy wise the early cumtown episodes are goofy classics.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

What I love about Mike Duncan is that you can hear him radicalizing in real time during the Revolutions podcast. By the time he reached the Haitian Revolution he’s done with everyone’s shit.

[–] LifeLikeLady 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Before COVID Rogan's show was fantastic. As soon as the end of 2019 ramped up it was all down hill from there.

He went full Alex Jones.

[–] CluckN 7 points 6 months ago

Yeah it’s easy to hate Joe Rogan now but there’s a reason why he was the #1 most downloaded podcast for years. Huge range of guests and Joe’s, “Jack of all trades master of absolutely nothing besides MMA” knowledge base of questions got some good stories out of people.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Beau of the fifth column on YouTube is just for this he tries to reach people at that level and doesn't talk down to them and is great on foreign policy concepts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I've never listened to Rogan*, but I think https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts does an excellent job of talking about current news and science items in an easily digestible format that mostly avoids bullshit while probably filling the same gee-whiz niche that people expect from Rogan? It's a panel, so not a single muscular male host, but I think if your sibling is pursuing Rogan because they think it's helping expose them to new interesting ideas, SGU is a vastly superior route to that end.


*I actually think my only Rogan exposure has been the SGU talking about how he more or less just believes the last thing anyone told him, whatever that might be, which seems... less good?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Your preference is your preference, but SG1 and SGA are far better than SGU in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I assume this is a Stargate thing and that there aren't actually that many Skeptical Guide podcasts out there.

I haven't got any dog in the Stargate fight, I've seen the original movie (good) and watched the Richard Dean Anderson TV series (better than the movie) for a while before it just fell off my radar? I'll take your word for it that Stargate Universe is the lesser of the Stargate properties.

SGU in my comment obviously is referring to the Skeptics Guide to the Universe aka, the linked podcast.

[–] gastationsushi 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

J Aubrey is a very entertaining long format YTer that explains many of the internet's worst villains. His take down of grifters don't target Joe himself, but help inoculate people from the "natural" hierarchies that dominate conservative thought.

https://m.youtube.com/@jaubrey/videos

[–] RGB3x3 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Good God, he has some of the most cringey clickbait thumbnails I've ever seen.

And just watching the first 5 minutes of the Steven Crowder episode, he's for sure not someone the Joe Rogan crowd would be interested in watching.

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[–] NewWorldOverHere 2 points 6 months ago

Edit: Going through all the suggestions now - thank you! I hadn’t heard of these before. I appreciate it!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm tempted to voice my opinion about the question itself but I'll resist the urge and give you the correct answer instead.

Chris Williamson, the podcast is named Modern Wisdom. Perhaps you can ease him into it by recommending the episode where he was a quest on Joe's show.

[–] KombatWombat 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I think you'll be hard pressed to find someone progressive enough for lemmy to like that will also be interesting to a Joe Rogan fan. I would recommend Destiny though. I wouldn't say he's like Joe Rogan, but he frequently does debates with commentators of all politcal positions including those with similar beliefs to Joe. He has an aggressive, confrontational style that would be your best bet at trying to demonstrate the weaknesses of the views Joe would advocate for.

If you're not familiar with his views, Destiny could probably be described as a left-leaning liberal institutionalist moderate. His community can attract a variety of viewpoints and is relatively accepting of criticism for Destiny so your brother would have an easier time interacting with them than someone like Hasan.

It's nice you are trying to look out for your brother like this. Good luck!

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[–] pb42184 2 points 6 months ago

Modern Wisdom

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