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[-] Stovetop 125 points 1 month ago

2008 was the beginning of the recession, and in many ways things never really recovered. Cost of college never went down. Housing remains unattainable for most young people. And the job market is becoming more exploitative than ever.

Financial uncertainty creates anxiety. People with too much anxiety don't have the time or energy for relationships and family. As it happens, countries where this is felt even more, like Korea and Japan, have it far worse.

[-] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago

And it's a hard sell to get a girl at a bar/club to come back to your mom's house.

[-] kiagam 7 points 1 month ago

by that logic, nobody would have sex while in high school. And japan would have basically no virgins, since they have the love hotels.

btw, america needs those. very covenient, and with the housing prices and everyone living with their parents, very much in demand

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I like the Bourne Ultimatum theory better. We peaked there and will never achieve that high again!

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[-] [email protected] 76 points 1 month ago

zero female sex partners

Well that's a meaningless study then

[-] Stovetop 43 points 1 month ago

Meaningful if you're looking for predictors on birth rates, I suppose. Usually I see studies like this used to explain why populations start to decline.

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[-] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Young male virgins" equals "men under age 30 who report zero female sex partners since they turned 18"?

Good thing no male has sex before 18 or with anyone who isn't female.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's confirmed.

The Bourne Ultimatum turned men gay.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Right, like what's the point in excluding this data? I guess it's probably safe to assume if you had sex under 18 you probably have had sex after 18 but still odd that it's like that.

[-] Fosheze 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm willing to bet that they just didn't want the legal hastle of collecting data on minors. Also minors are going to be more likely to lie about any potential sexual history.

As far a why they excluded man on man action I have no idea. If the origional graph was in an article about declining birth rates or something then that may explain it but idk what the original article was so idk if that is the case.

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[-] nifty 50 points 1 month ago

That’s when social media started earnestly taking a foothold. I am guessing maybe this has to do with depressed females (there are studies which indicate social media use affects females more and also depresses them). Depressed females likely have different preferences and standards than those who are not, perhaps. If you don’t like yourself, you’re unlikely to pursue and welcome relationships.

Alternatively, that was the time of the Great Recession. Perhaps some young adults in general are too economically stressed to do normal activities?

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

ugh i hate the word "females". why not just say "women"

[-] surewhynotlem 24 points 1 month ago

Because the study is clearly talking about goats. You only use the word "women" when you're talking about humans.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

In the context of this discussion, the chart title is "young male virginity on the rise", so it doesn't seem too far off the mark.

[-] berkeleyblue 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah male virginity. Male is an adjective in this case.

Male or especially Female as a noun, has a very weird ring to it. Sounds kinda disrespectful, as said above, like your talk about cattle…

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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver 24 points 1 month ago

This is also around the time smartphones came out. Wait, were the boomers right?

[-] muffedtrims 20 points 1 month ago

Pornhub was launched on 25 May 2007. Just saying...

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[-] nifty 15 points 1 month ago

Well broken clock, etc. etc.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Also, social media is a major contributor to the isolation epidemic going on, as is the economic situation and the work culture of countries like the US.

So what I'm saying is, you're probably right on all accounts.

I saw a great video once that went into how the economic situation is largely responsible for the cultural shift from "adult" as a thing you are to "adulting" - a thing you do. That from Millenials onwards, generations don't feel economically secure enough to partake in traditional cultural norms of middle-class adulthood. Things like buying a house and popping out 2.5 kids.

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In 2008 Sasha Grey won Performer of the Year award.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I am not going to figure out/imagine how many years ago was that, nope, no way, I know better.

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[-] Pixlbabble 31 points 1 month ago

Housing crash fucked everyone for generations.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Mass adoption of cellphones, social media, streaming services and the destruction of third spaces. Endless entertainment, decreased socialization.

People have been fucking while living with their parents for most of humanity. That's not the problem, at least in terms of first experiences.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

When most people have to worry about their rent & food everyday of their life while working for ludicrous amounts of time every week, having a family or relationships in general just look like more expenses for the individual. It's not an issue only men face either.

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Emphasis on "female".

[-] Zehzin 25 points 1 month ago

Also the year Persona 4 came out.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

men under 30 who report zero female sex partners since turning 18

Okay, but what about male partners?

Also, can we clarify whether we're defining "sex" as "sexual contact" versus "penial vaginal intercourse"? Because I think ex-President Clinton is still a virgin under the second definition.

[-] FlyingSquid 10 points 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure ex-President Clinton has a daughter who looks very similar to him.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Jesus Christ that's Jason Bourne !

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I mean, I guess millennials were right in the middle period between having a healthy sex life prior to 18 and then various life clusterfucks hit the generation. I can only assume ppl gave up, secluded, moisturised, in their lane, flourishing in their shituation as best they can.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

How would that make them virgins? They could e8tger be gay, 9r have had sex before being 18.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil 20 points 1 month ago

If you don't fuck for 12 years, your virginity grows back.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago
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[-] solomon42069 11 points 1 month ago

Ok, now overlay young men under 30 who are into Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate...

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[-] FlyingSquid 11 points 1 month ago

See that peak a little while after 1989?

I lost my virginity in 1993.


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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I bet young people today are more honest.

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[-] mechoman444 8 points 1 month ago

What if you're 38? Asking for a friend.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

If your friend can hold it for 2 more years then they can get a movie made about them.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

So Jason Bourne turned everyone gay?

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[-] HollowNaught 8 points 1 month ago

Looks like I'm finally better than the majority at something!


[-] Fosheze 7 points 1 month ago

Even in the late 1900s that number is still way higher than I thought it would be.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver 21 points 1 month ago

"late 1900s" is something I'm not sure I'll ever get used to hearing.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I never know if 1900s means 1900-1909 or 1900-1999.

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