That is some of the best news for america in a very long time. Many people won't realize this though, you know, because of the lead...
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What are they replacing them with?
Asbestos of course...
Bestos
checks out
I'm guessing either copper, PVC, or CPVC. The worry about PVC and CPVC is micro plastics, but I think that lead is probably more harmful then micro plastics anyway.
For sure. Copper is expensive. I imagine they’ll go with plastics.
There's always the possibility that they'll do a mix of everything depending on environment, though I'm not sure if there are environments where plastics pipes may potentially degrade faster than copper or vice versa.
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That sounds like a lot. It isn't. It's a drop in the bucket. So is the $15 billion.
After conducting a survey of these lead pipes in the United States, NRDC estimates that there is a range of 9.7 million to 12.8 million pipes that are, or may be, lead, spread across all 50 states, including those that claim to have none.
https://www.nrdc.org/resources/lead-pipes-are-widespread-and-used-every-state
No way is $15 billion going to be enough to dig up and replace that much lead piping.
Probably not, but it sure beats $0.
I'm not trying to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, but this is being sold as a cure when it's a band-aid.
True, wish they'd add, "This will fix approximately x% of pipes across the nation!"
But I know why they can't do that, "politics", because there is a considerable amount of people who would say, 5/10/15%! That's awful, I'm voting for the guy who founded the lead pacifier company! He's tall!
But.. when you consider :
1, We consider cave people to be stupid
2, Not enough time has passed for the brain to evolve since we were cave people
It makes a bit more sense, we truly are standing on the shoulders of giants. Or in other words, humans are real ducking dumb. We're all cave people.
Cave people didn't have lead poisoning either
The main thing it is not a federal task force or anything, so it will be funding given to state and local governments that have already failed or even outright refused to replace lead pipes.
Like for example: DeSantis will replace pipes in certain areas but will undoubtedly only identify them in others.
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They don't have to be dug up. The first step is chemistry - Flint was fine with lead pipes until they switch water sources to something with a different composition (ph I think - but there are other factors and we should get expert chemists to speak here not laypeople like us). Anywhere that lead pipes exist we need monitoring to ensure that the water doesn't dissolve lead, once we have that in place the pipes don't leach much lead and we can do a slower replacement when the pipes need to be replaced anyway.
We also have technology to put a plastic liner in existing pipes for much less than digging the pipes up. It doesn't work for all situations, but when it does is a lot cheaper and should be investigated for any pipe that is expected to last a long time.
I hate this.
- "This shit is terrible. Fixing it is going to cost an astronomical amount but it's just got to get done."
- "Woah woah woah. Why don't we investigate a range of potential options that will mitigate the harm caused by the problem."
You already know just from the tone that fuck all is going to happen.
The answer is... do both. Fix the problem while finding ways to mitigate costs while ensuring the problem gets fixed.
Even with that there is still a nonzero amount of lead in the water. Source: my city that does exactly that and the test results they publish.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-would-it-cost-to-replace-all-the-nations-lead-water-pipes/
From the article:
How much would it cost to get lead out of the U.S.’s drinking water? A back-of-the-envelope calculation based on EPA’s estimate of average replacement cost per line ($4,700) and assumption of 6 to 10 million lead service lines across the country suggests the cost could range from $28 billion to $47 billion, putting Biden’s originally-proposed $45 billion near the top of that range—but the $15 billion legislated well below it.
Seems like just a drop in the bucket! HAHAHA, ha... ehh...
I know you're saying the $15b is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of fixing the problem, but it's also a drop in the bucket compared to tax revenues right?
Like how much is bezos worth, can't you guys just guillotine him and use the money to fix the pipes?
I'd rather just tax him a whole lot than continue our proud tradition of state murder. We already do it to possibly innocent death row prisoners.
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That's a lot of cash, wouldn't you rather carpet bomb brown people for a minute?
Seems like the simplest solution would be to flood the existing pipes with liquid protons. The lead will be converted to gold. Any leftover protons will just combine with oxygen in the air and become water. Really pure water!
Can you imagine how much a government alchemist contract costs though?
Just enough to cover a single dude, his daughter, and the dog for a few years
You can stretch that budget a bit if you fuse the daughter and dog into a chimera.
Any leftover protons will just combine with oxygen in the air and become water. Really pure water!
Really hot water too, that reaction is just a tad exothermic.
Thank. You. Joe. Biden.
If the US votes Trump they deserve the shitshow they get. FFS.
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ah yes the magical pipes that create more boomers
Welcome to the Future.
2024 .
The year the USA finally decided to stop using poisonous infrastructure to carry their water.
With the exception of some moronic fiscal managers in Flint, it has been solved since the 90s. The Lead and Copper rule dates to the early 90s and required regular testing and action. Most utilities started adjusting PH and adding a lead corrosion inhibitor called orthophosphate. That dropped lead levels to zero most places.
Flint didn’t do that, so here we are. Also worth noting it was banned for new connections in 1986, though many cities banned it decades earlier. My own city banned lead in 1954, but because we’re an old city, we have 140,000 still out there. That’s over $1 billion (probably twice that by the time we’re done) for just my one city alone. Getting rid of lead will take even more money than this.
The problem is a little more widespread than just Flint. 9% of American water pipes still have lead in them.
Florida is leading the charge.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/states-with-the-most-lead-pipes
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Start with Flint.
They have been. For years now. Do cities where it hasnt turned into a disaster before it does.
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Can't wait to see the 'Pubs speak and vote out against this. "We like 'em fine"
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I wonder which politician's pocket that lands in, while they actually do nothing about lead pipes?
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