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Around 100 protesters were arrested on Saturday at a pro-Palestine encampment at Northeastern University, but not the one whose hate speech got everything shut down.

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[–] GrymEdm 111 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Pro-Israeli interests have sometimes settled for manufacturing a helpful "truth" when it doesn't exist. The latest version seems to be that protesters are widely violent, hateful, and make campuses/cities unsafe. Here's a 4-minute message from a Jewish Holocaust survivor about his time in the front lines of pro-Palestine protests: "When the right-wing section of the present government is trying to press for the banning of these marches on the grounds that they create 'no-go areas' for Jews and they are anti-Semitic - we know that this is complete rubbish and the very opposite is true." He encourages "the brave student protesters" to keep going, and talks about how well they have been treated and celebrated even while wearing placards that identify them as Jews.

Here's a Jewish Londoner talking about how he's been attending UK pro-Palestine/ceasefire marches for months with a large Jewish bloc and they've "been received very warmly". The interviewer then disagrees with him, telling him that he's in danger and the marches are anti-Semitic in spite of the person who's actually been going to months of protests saying it's the opposite.

Here's a video of a woman who walked into the middle of a protest calling 911 and trying to invent a dangerous situation while everyone around her keeps their distance and assures her she is safe to leave.

Here's a study about how false claims of crimes hurt the cases of, and empathy for, real victims of crimes. Similarly there are real anti-Semites out there, and there are true cases of racially motivated aggression against Jews. However, such obvious attempts to invent anti-Semitism is "crying wolf" and damages the credibility of genuine allegations by making it easier to believe it's made up. The people trying to manufacture the situations they claim to fear need to examine their commitment to truth and the harmful impact of their obvious deception. On the protesters side, it's good they are booing and otherwise publicly rejecting anyone who steps over the line into hatred (whether genuinely or as a false flag). That's something they absolutely must stick to in order for the protests to stay ethical and also to avoid being discredited as racist.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 44 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The interviewer... Told the interviewee what their opinion should be.

Great. We really are in The Bad Place.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's worth pointing out, I think, that TalkTV is Rupert Murdoch's latest outing, and is owned by his News Corp, which also owns The S*n and The Times. It's no surprise it's awful.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 15 points 7 months ago

I find it easier to assume Murdoch involvement in any major news outlet rather than try to keep track

[–] GrymEdm 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's annoying because the argument was clearly "your multiple real life experiences don't back up these talking points I've been handed". I thought the interviewee handled it very well though.

[–] Crackhappy 36 points 7 months ago

The holocaust survivor demonstrators, against the genocide in Palestine. Ooof. Thank you for posting this. I may link to this comment.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Don't forget the Jewish student who is being paraded around mainstream news outlets after allegedly being "stabbed in the eye" at a protest.

Oddly enough, the video of the actual incident rarely seems to be played on air during her segments. I wonder why 🤔

[–] Nacktmull 74 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That almost sounds like an agent provocateur, surely the police would never use such an insidious tactic, would they?

/s

[–] disguy_ovahea 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

That’s the most dangerous aspect of the new Supreme Court ruling. Prior to the ruling, violent demonstrations were charged independent of the protest. Now the entire protest can be charged based on criminal behavior of one actor. There’s no room for bystanders at a protest anymore. Bad actors need to be identified and cast out as soon as they’re identified now that your criminal record is on the line.

https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/the-supreme-court-declined-a-protestors-rights-case-heres-what-you-need-to-know

[–] WhatAmLemmy 6 points 7 months ago

America is already a failed state. How long it circles the fascist dictatorship drain is getting shorter and shorter by the day.

[–] blazeknave 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] unreasonabro 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

just another example of the VERY OLD PEOPLE in the legal system being unable to deal with complexity, and in trying to reduce it, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, "the baby" in this case being your civil liberties. Unacceptable and anti-human, like every recent decision they've made, and for which they deserve the justice they pretend to advocate.

[–] blazeknave 1 points 7 months ago

I used to think that. It feels very intentional. I was just very unsettled, reading about the supreme court's comments so far about that orange guy's immunity, "what counts? What doesn't?" It's like they're planning for a different version of this country in 4 years and 2 months

[–] DocMcStuffin 4 points 7 months ago

Why am not surprised the case originated out of the Fifth Circuit, and they ruled against the protest organizer.

[–] nifty -3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, anti-genocide people are not for the genocide of others! Someone saying something like that should be told to shut up and leave

[–] 3volver 10 points 7 months ago

Do yourself a favor and just read a bit about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

My lesdyxia read Alligator, and immediately thought this was an onion article.