this post was submitted on 11 Apr 2024
322 points (90.2% liked)

Political Memes

4610 readers
2819 users here now

Welcome to politcal memes!

These are our rules:

Be civilJokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.

No misinformationDon’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.

Posts should be memesRandom pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.

No bots, spam or self-promotionFollow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

All this and more can be possible with a switch from the First Past the Post voting system many states use. No spoiler effect, no hands tied, just a arena of policies and ideas.

Some states have already made the switch, why not yours yet?

all 29 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] MrJameGumb 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Meanwhile I got a letter from the police today telling me to clean up my yard or else... Apparently having a slightly unkempt lawn is a criminal offense now

[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom 10 points 2 months ago

That's why I live in the middle of nowhere, I could start my own junkyard and no one would say anything.

[–] surewhynotlem 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This is why we should defund the police. Cops shouldn't need to be engaged for trivial shit. They shouldn't have that much free time.

[–] Feathercrown 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] surewhynotlem 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks. Fixed. Autocorrect is clearly fascist

[–] Feathercrown 2 points 2 months ago

The AI overlords have revealed themselves

[–] Dkarma 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's from the city not the police I'm betting.

[–] MrJameGumb 1 points 2 months ago

It literally said "(my city) Police Department" on the envelope and the letter inside

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Like a worker.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

To fuck around is human. To find out is divine.

-Gritty

[–] themeatbridge 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Some states have already made the switch, why not yours yet?

Careful, because some states are switching back from ranked choice, because it does not eliminate the spoiler effect or strategic voting against your interest. STAR voting actually achieves those goals, but just promoting it fractures the movement and creates confusion.

We all know that our current system sucks. But what we replace it with matters, and we should be specific.

[–] GroundedGator 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For anyone else OOTL STAR Voting

I see how this is better than RCV but I'm wondering how it works out if the majority of voters only rank a single candidate.

[–] themeatbridge 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It works exactly like that, and their vote still counts. They pick one candidate, and give them all the stars. Every other candidate gets no votes and no stars.

The biggest advantage is that nobody's vote is exhausted, and you can put two candidates on equal ratings if you really don't care which one wins. Ranked choice, you vote might be thrown out entirely after the first round because of math.

[–] GroundedGator 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I understand that, I'm thinking about a few different scenarios. Say that one party votes overwhelmingly for the same 2 candidates in the 4/5 Star category, a different group majority votes for one of the previous 2 candidates and another candidate, and a third group largely only votes for 1 candidate.

The scenario I'm thinking of would make the first 2 candidates mentioned the finalists, however if the third group has a preference for one of the other candidates and voted them as a second choice it could significantly change the outcome.

I highly support anything that moves away from a 2 party system. It just seems any change would benefit the informed voter more than the emotional voter.

[–] themeatbridge 3 points 2 months ago

That's the beauty of the STAR system. The third group of voters still matter, even if their preferred choice is eliminated. Candidates have to speak to all voters, and serve more than just their base.

[–] PugJesus 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Careful, because some states are switching back from ranked choice,

... all two of them that actually have it? Which one is switching back?

[–] themeatbridge 2 points 2 months ago

A lot of states have local and municipal elections that use RCV, and it occasionally works out that the process allows a spoiler or tactical voting scenario which is giving credence to the people who oppose any change because they benefit from the status quo.

Oakland and San Francisco in California have had issues. Burlington, Vermont had that one disaster of a mayoral race in 2009 that caused a repeal, but now they are back to it.

North Carolina and Florida are both fighting any election reform efforts, but we know why that is.

There are a lot of states besides Maine, though. Alaska, Maryland, Colorado, Arizona, they all have some form of RCV to varying degrees of success.

And there isn't anybody having a problem with it anywhere that couldn't be improved by switching to STAR voting. It's just better in every single way.

[–] Phegan 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Telodzrum 3 points 2 months ago

Punk rock is the new punk rock.

[–] avater 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] PugJesus 8 points 2 months ago

Shoot guns responsibly.

[–] bi_tux 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

2A and ACAB is like bread and butter

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, one's no good without the other.

[–] Yamainwitch 1 points 2 months ago

Strap in babes, time for some good trouble! ✊

[–] neonred 1 points 2 months ago

Shoot guns, defund the police?