I don't even understand the question, really.
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I don't know what you mean, but I do find it silly when a 100lb Harley Quinn is kicking the crap out of 200lb men with guns and riot gear. At least if you get a muscled up woman, it's more believable
Right, Xena is a much better ideal of a physically strong woman, plus has integrity, character, compassion that Harley Quinn can’t even dream about.
Quinn is a villain, what sense would it make to give her integrity or compassion?
All sorts of criminal characters in entertainment are depicted with strong honor, moral codes, and compassion, but twisted.
- since I just saw a commercial for Minions: Rise of Gru, let’s take Gru. His redemption arc centers around his compassion coming to the front
- or take Captain Cold from the Flash, at least in the modern interpretation
Gru is a children's movie character... You may as well reference Jumba Jookiba, who has the coolest evil character arc... Evil alien scientist, has the opportunity to restore his freedom, instead gambles everything on little earth girl. Then decides to stay with little earth girl and become family to her. But does he stop evil experimentation?.. of course not! He is Jumba Jookiba! The most mad evil scientist in the universe. He will make toaster that can only toast Hawaiian toast Mwahah! He will make house that can clean itself to show matriarch of the household that she is unworthy! Jumba will even make a worse version of the thing that got him exiled to the primitive earth planet to begin with! There are no limits to Jumba's depravity, his evil cannot be stopped... except when it comes to helping little earth girl. Or his annoying friend/lover Pleakly.
Strength of character for men and women is the same. It is a basic trait of all human beings. Same with strength of purpose. However, how it gets expressed is different depending on the social and cultural situation they are in at the time.
That can relate to gender because some situations are gendered (for example, women are more likely to be in those situations).
In some movies, it is shown as muscles, aggressive etc. Eg Alien. In other movies it is shown in other ways.
Some examples:
The Color Purple
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri
Once Were Warriors
Fire by Deepa Mehta
Rabbit Proof Fence
Daughters of the Dust
Whale Rider
I'm not sure about that characterisation of Ripley in Alien. She doesn't survive by fist-fighting the xenomorph, she's not Arnie in Predator. She's just determined and resourceful.
I agree with you, but I was thinking in terms of aggression and physicality, particularly in Alien 2 and 4. Similarly someone like Clarice Starling is smart and determined but physical prowess and aggresive assertiveness are a core part of her success.
I think Final Girls are probably what OP has in mind when they say determination in movies = physical strength.
This is a weird question... Aggressiveness is not a side effect of being buff.
I try to remember that not everyone on Lemmy is a westerner or an adult. OP might be from a culture thats still very patriarchal society and their only exposure to muscular women is Hollywood action movies. Angel Dust from Deadpool, Vasquez from Aliens, Rhonda Rousey in Expendables 3...
I was going for "strength of character" actually, speaking of limited. Thanks for clearing it up.
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I don't think aggression and punching people are manly traits but ok. And I quite like muscular women, it's damn hot.
Check out the film Gravity. I would call Sandra Bullock's character strong, but she's not "manly" at all.
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I‘d go for that sneaky archer type. Works better with women imho
So.... perception and finesse?
Yes. Did you notice men’s perception? If it’s not moving we can’t see it.
Serious answer: No, its a casting choice.
What you will see in the real world is that muscular women who arent on PEDs will be confident and likely not introverts because unless your taking testosterone, steroids or other hormone altering treatments it takes a LOT of work for a woman to look muscular and unless they are training at home are generally working out in a very male dominant environment where not taking shit off others is the norm. Shy and demure girls dont tend to gravitate to weight lifting.
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This is a very vague and open-ended question. Keep thinking on it and ask a more specific question to get better answers.
Masculine is the word you're looking for. It's all the same, really, just less precise. Out of biological necessity, women and men evolved different ways of handling situations. There will never be a stereotype or trait that applies to every individual of a large group, but if I ask you which is more likely to get into a bar fight, it's clear the scale tips in one direction or the other.
But regarding the movie question, no. It's cheap to make a woman physically beefy to give the idea that she's strong. There are many examples where the woman hero character is not beefy strongwoman. Movies where sword skill or martial arts are employed. There are characters of women who are strong because of their intelligence, always being one step ahead. Women characters who use their cunning wit and charm to con people. Women characters who use their compassion and stoic nature to unite opposing groups to fight a larger enemy.
You see big = strong more often because it's an easy trope. You wouldn't expect to see a movie with some lanky spaghetti armed guy kicking ass all day. At most he'd usually be the hacker sidekick for comedic effect.
The discussion around gender stereotypes, no matter how accurate, will always be a landmine, so be warned.
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You are conflating strength of character with masculinity? Why?
The answer to your question is no. Women are people, men are people. I think to some extent maybe physical fitness in anyone (anyone able -bodied) correlates with persistence and impulse control, but physical and verbal aggression correlates with a lack of impulse control and lack of empathy. So negative association with strength of character, in anyone male or female or other.
What is considered masculine or feminine is largely a cultural thing. It was once manly to wear skirts (kilts) and dresses (robes) and knit and sew, some places it still is.
A strong person (character trait) is someone who is willing to stand their ground for what they believe is right despite overwhelming pressure, be willing to admit it when they are wrong and flexible enough to adapt when the situation changes.
Sometimes that means you must fight and kill, but talking and listening (often seen as feminine or weak) usually gives better results.
Edit: At some point in my life I will learn to spell things correctly!!!
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Are we allowed to downvote stupid questions in this community, or is it like the unpopularopinion one?
Your bar on what constitutes stupid might be ... stupid.
As it should be
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